2021 Lexus IS
06-07-20, 11:05 AM
#61
Lexus Test Driver
I think the IS350 Fsport and GS350 Fsport were very good performance cars and both won several comparos against the Germans. They each also sold well for first 1-3years. Unfortunately there have been no updates since then to performance etc while competition has brought new products.
Now GS is discontinued and IS will get only refresh- so what can you expect to consumers to do?
Now GS is discontinued and IS will get only refresh- so what can you expect to consumers to do?
06-07-20, 11:14 AM
#62
I was thinking about this too... It seems like they're content with flashing what they can do when they want, just to show you they can, then they regress to the mean. BMW seems to be getting a little better in overall quality - seems like they are closing that gap faster than Lexus is closing any sort of performance gaps.
06-07-20, 12:27 PM
#63
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Speaking of lexus and performance, they spent billions on the spectacular LFA, and for what? Only to continue the half-hearted efforts with rare as unicorn GS-F's, IS-F's, and the weaksauce F-sport trims.
Right now, Lexus is an SUV brand with one (fwd) sedan (ES) that sells.
hopefully this new IS when announced, is substantive and impressive!
Right now, Lexus is an SUV brand with one (fwd) sedan (ES) that sells.
hopefully this new IS when announced, is substantive and impressive!
06-07-20, 01:46 PM
#64
Lexus Fanatic
Bottom line is, Lexus has just lost its way. Time to move on.
06-07-20, 02:43 PM
#65
Speaking of lexus and performance, they spent billions on the spectacular LFA, and for what? Only to continue the half-hearted efforts with rare as unicorn GS-F's, IS-F's, and the weaksauce F-sport trims.
Right now, Lexus is an SUV brand with one (fwd) sedan (ES) that sells.
hopefully this new IS when announced, is substantive and impressive!
Right now, Lexus is an SUV brand with one (fwd) sedan (ES) that sells.
hopefully this new IS when announced, is substantive and impressive!
06-07-20, 02:58 PM
#66
You can't reason with these people. I've got most on ignore. They are the 'Usual Suspects" who continuously bash Lexus Performance cars having never owned a "F" car or even a Performance of any kind or even driven them. They keep promoting that BMW's are reliable based on a "friend" that had one. Look at Repairpal, JD Power, and Consumer Reports. Data and Statistics don't lie. Here they are being negative on a thread about a car before it has even debuted. I could have guessed who would be commenting. I won't be subscribing to this thread and won't see the peoples replies who are on my ignore. If you are looking for a thread of people that care about the newly update IS, this isn't it. LOL!
06-07-20, 03:02 PM
#68
Only country where sedans still sell well in China, which is why you see German sedans being more catered to Chinese markets right now. Whole segment is dropping in both US and EU for years now and only thing that save it is large incentives (vs much smaller ones for CUVs).
06-07-20, 04:17 PM
#69
Lexus Fanatic
Or in Europe X1, X2, GLA, GLB, etc.
Only country where sedans still sell well in China, which is why you see German sedans being more catered to Chinese markets right now. Whole segment is dropping in both US and EU for years now and only thing that save it is large incentives (vs much smaller ones for CUVs).
Only country where sedans still sell well in China, which is why you see German sedans being more catered to Chinese markets right now. Whole segment is dropping in both US and EU for years now and only thing that save it is large incentives (vs much smaller ones for CUVs).
06-07-20, 04:20 PM
#70
Lexus Fanatic
Not bashing Lexus here...I want to see Lexus succeed and continue to offer cars that I want to drive. Pretending the decisions they make are the right decisions when you don’t feel they arent doesn’t help them do that though.
As I’ve said before, I’ve been a Lexus customer for 22 years. I think my viewpoint has merit.
Releasing the IS as a third refresh vs a new model is another huge mistake.
As I’ve said before, I’ve been a Lexus customer for 22 years. I think my viewpoint has merit.
Releasing the IS as a third refresh vs a new model is another huge mistake.
Last edited by SW17LS; 06-07-20 at 04:25 PM.
06-07-20, 04:21 PM
#71
Lexus Fanatic
I think the only way to make it all work for an all new design is for Lexus to share a platform with another brand.
06-07-20, 04:22 PM
#72
Lexus Fanatic
And...they have the platform. That was the whole
point of the GA-L offshoot of the TNGA platform.
06-07-20, 06:09 PM
#73
Lexus Test Driver
2 series - sedan, coupe, convertible
4 series - coupe, convertible, grancoupe
5 series - sedan, wagon
7 series - sedan
8 series - coupe, convertible, grancoupe
Z4 - convertible
i8 - coupe, convertible
Then you also got M model for each.
MB has even more models than BMW.
Audi also has bunch of sedans, coupes, grancoupes etc.
If Lexus only offered half of these models - ppl would be thrilled.
Last edited by RNM GS3; 06-07-20 at 06:12 PM.
06-07-20, 08:47 PM
#74
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The IS could be released as a refresh, and could do well, but it needs an entirely new infotainment system / center stack. It needs to modernize the front end. Oh and new engines. Besides that... 
