Had a Jeep Compass as a loaner...a truly terrible car
06-01-20, 07:31 PM
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Steve, about the Sienna not having removable 2nd row seats, surprised that's a show stopper. How often and why do you need that feature?
about the compass being terrible... not surprised. Hey it's cheap.
about the compass being terrible... not surprised. Hey it's cheap.
06-01-20, 07:36 PM
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We reconfigure the seating in the van fairly frequently. When we go to the beach for instance we stow one of the stow n go seats and put the kids in the third row and my mom in the remaining second row seat.
That’s not as big an issue as the hybrid only powertrain.
That’s not as big an issue as the hybrid only powertrain.
06-02-20, 06:33 AM
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The low end Jeeps are pretty lackluster, they're just spraying and praying. Lots of their products need huge overhauls, but they've been lazy as the rising sales of anything SUV has lifted the tide for them without the need for significant investments. But it's all coming to a head now. The age of their products is starting to show.
Hope they can turn things around with their next wave of introductions. Curious to see how the Grand Cherokee turns out.
06-02-20, 07:40 AM
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I think the ol' Grand Cherokee still holds its own, they still look great, drive great, nice inside. Hopefully the new one impresses as much.
06-02-20, 08:18 AM
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Went to Phoenix last fall for a wedding, rental agency was nearly out of cars, so they gave me a Compass. Not a good sign.
Actually, it was kinda cute and it ran okay, though the shifting was clunky. And it was my first exposure to the "automatic engine restarting" feature (I use that term loosely) when at a traffic light. I'm sure it saves a few mpg for city driving, but what a kludgy implementation. Foot off the brake, engine starts fairly quickly, but steering wheel jerks a half inch.
Compare and contrast with my RX450h hybrid. Engine starts are almost imperceptible, as I guess they would be with a 600v "starter" motor bolted in-line with the ICE flywheel. Instant-on, instant-off. Great technology, and 30mpg in the city for a 5,000 lb car.
Actually, it was kinda cute and it ran okay, though the shifting was clunky. And it was my first exposure to the "automatic engine restarting" feature (I use that term loosely) when at a traffic light. I'm sure it saves a few mpg for city driving, but what a kludgy implementation. Foot off the brake, engine starts fairly quickly, but steering wheel jerks a half inch.
Compare and contrast with my RX450h hybrid. Engine starts are almost imperceptible, as I guess they would be with a 600v "starter" motor bolted in-line with the ICE flywheel. Instant-on, instant-off. Great technology, and 30mpg in the city for a 5,000 lb car.
06-02-20, 08:22 AM
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Did you notice the brakes being insanely grabby?
06-02-20, 01:09 PM
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Is this a new category of vehicles, the TTV? I understand several manufacturers are focusing on this segment, such as, GM, Fiat/Chrysler, Mitsubishi!
06-02-20, 01:25 PM
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True, all vehicles break. We can all point to specific, individual, anecdotal evidence of this. However, it's critical to look at the big picture, including the reliability data from CR and brand history. Even though Toyota/Lexus vehicles break, they break less often than most other brands. Not that reliability is end-all to customer satisfaction, but it goes a long way!
Jeeps, on the other hand, have very poor reliability. A young friend of mine was in the market for family vehicle for his wife and newborn. After shopping, they settled on the Jeep Compass, until I talked him out of it. He bought a RAV4 instead. One year later, he was dead from cancer. I'm glad he left his wife and daughter with a vehicle that will take good care of them!
Jeeps, on the other hand, have very poor reliability. A young friend of mine was in the market for family vehicle for his wife and newborn. After shopping, they settled on the Jeep Compass, until I talked him out of it. He bought a RAV4 instead. One year later, he was dead from cancer. I'm glad he left his wife and daughter with a vehicle that will take good care of them!
06-02-20, 03:41 PM
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True, all vehicles break. We can all point to specific, individual, anecdotal evidence of this. However, it's critical to look at the big picture, including the reliability data from CR and brand history. Even though Toyota/Lexus vehicles break, they break less often than most other brands. Not that reliability is end-all to customer satisfaction, but it goes a long way!
Jeeps, on the other hand, have very poor reliability. A young friend of mine was in the market for family vehicle for his wife and newborn. After shopping, they settled on the Jeep Compass, until I talked him out of it. He bought a RAV4 instead. One year later, he was dead from cancer. I'm glad he left his wife and daughter with a vehicle that will take good care of them!
06-02-20, 04:12 PM
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