A 205 hp 4-cylinder will be in the AWD Camry and Avalon (no mention of Lexus ES)
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When the GS sunsets (as I lament here), I heard the GS 350 AWD will be replaced by an AWD ES with a 205 hp in-line 4 cylinder that will also be in the 2021 AWD Avalon. Here is a link about the AWD Avalon for reference: https://pressroom.toyota.com/get-a-g...-drive-sedans/
The GS is a great vehicle with amazing build quality that has served the Lexus stable since 1993. There is a hump in the center floor of the current ES to allow for a driveshaft.
The GS is a great vehicle with amazing build quality that has served the Lexus stable since 1993. There is a hump in the center floor of the current ES to allow for a driveshaft.
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To supplement the discontinuation of the GS, Lexus will have a 205 hp 4-cylinder AWD ES in in its stable. The Avalon will be getting this AWD drive in 2021 https://pressroom.toyota.com/get-a-g...-drive-sedans/
Since the ES and Avalon share the same drivetrain and platform this makes sense about the AWD in the ES.
Since the ES and Avalon share the same drivetrain and platform this makes sense about the AWD in the ES.
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I find it hard to believe that the Lexus Executive Sedan will go from a 303 HP V6 to a 4 bang 205 HP engine AWD or not. Maybe in the hybrid model. But not the ES 350... I wouldn't buy one.
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I haven't yet seen anything credible that the AWD and 4 cylinder combo from the Camry and Avalon will make its way into the ES. Anything I've seen about the ES adding an AWD option is a eAWD configuration with a rear electric motor like they use in their other AWD hybrids. While I do suspect there will eventually be an AWD ES, I suspect it'll only be offered as a hybrid.
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Just stupid...
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I haven't yet seen anything credible that the AWD and 4 cylinder combo from the Camry and Avalon will make its way into the ES. Anything I've seen about the ES adding an AWD option is a eAWD configuration with a rear electric motor like they use in their other AWD hybrids. While I do suspect there will eventually be an AWD ES, I suspect it'll only be offered as a hybrid.
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I see no evidence in the article of the ES getting the 2.5-liter engine. I'd be much more believing of a suggestion of an E-AWD hybrid ES.
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True, nothing is published about this. However, I got my information from a Lexus corporate employee. But in looking how similar the powertrains between the Avalon and ES with the hybrid and V-6 variants are, would led me to believe the AWD Avalon would have the same AWD powertrain in the upcoming AWD ES.
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True, nothing is published about this. However, I got my information from a Lexus corporate employee. But in looking how similar the powertrains between the Avalon and ES with the hybrid and V-6 variants are, would led me to believe the AWD Avalon would have the same AWD powertrain in the upcoming AWD ES.
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We have had this discussion before. The strategy of "well if they want that they can just buy this totally different vehicle that offers that feature". Consumers that want an AWD sedan will just leave Lexus and buy something else if that consumer isn't served. Its the same argument about space in the Highlander, "well customers who want space just buy the Sienna". No, they don't. Crossover customers don't want minivans, they want crossovers. Those customers will move to a brand that offers them what they want.
The style of vehicle is very important. ES customers who want to stay with a sedan but want AWD aren't all of a sudden going to just buy an RX because they want AWD.
Why wouldn't Avalon customers who want AWD just buy a Highlander? Why would Toyota bother to offer AWD in that? The logic just makes no sense.
Lexus is a luxury car, part of buying a luxury car is having options.
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That consumer doesnt want the RX.
We have had this discussion before. The strategy of "well if they want that they can just buy this totally different vehicle that offers that feature". Consumers that want an AWD sedan will just leave Lexus and buy something else if that consumer isn't served. Its the same argument about space in the Highlander, "well customers who want space just buy the Sienna". No, they don't. Crossover customers don't want minivans, they want crossovers. Those customers will move to a brand that offers them what they want.
The style of vehicle is very important. ES customers who want to stay with a sedan but want AWD aren't all of a sudden going to just buy an RX because they want AWD.
Why wouldn't Avalon customers who want AWD just buy a Highlander? Why would Toyota bother to offer AWD in that? The logic just makes no sense.
Lexus is a luxury car, part of buying a luxury car is having options.
We have had this discussion before. The strategy of "well if they want that they can just buy this totally different vehicle that offers that feature". Consumers that want an AWD sedan will just leave Lexus and buy something else if that consumer isn't served. Its the same argument about space in the Highlander, "well customers who want space just buy the Sienna". No, they don't. Crossover customers don't want minivans, they want crossovers. Those customers will move to a brand that offers them what they want.
The style of vehicle is very important. ES customers who want to stay with a sedan but want AWD aren't all of a sudden going to just buy an RX because they want AWD.
Why wouldn't Avalon customers who want AWD just buy a Highlander? Why would Toyota bother to offer AWD in that? The logic just makes no sense.
Lexus is a luxury car, part of buying a luxury car is having options.
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i would not be surprised if ES AWD comes with that new 2.4t with 300hp.
Also, in markets like Russia, China, Japan, it will certainly come with 200hp 4cly since their customers will find it fine.
Also, in markets like Russia, China, Japan, it will certainly come with 200hp 4cly since their customers will find it fine.