Lexus' New Twin-Turbo V8 Debut On Hold For Now
06-20-20, 07:26 PM
#46
Lexus Fanatic
Watching a review video of the BMW 750, 530hp, 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Just wild!
06-21-20, 07:22 AM
#47
Lexus Fanatic
Nobody said car buyers are smart LOL. They tend to buy into what they are being marketed and what image that goes along with it. They aren't actual car enthusiasts that care how the car drives. Only what magazines say about them in stats. Lemmings. Why is there so many people driving a Jeep Wrangler lifted up? To actually use off road? Nope.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-21-20 at 08:37 AM.
06-21-20, 08:46 AM
#48
Lexus Test Driver
Sure nobody realistically needs more than 300hp in the real world, if that, depending on the size of the vehicle, but it matters to the person shelling out over $100k, $200k, $300k for the things. One would think the LC500 would have been a runaway sales success right? Reality shows that numbers matters.
When it came out - I predicted it would be DOA due to its low HP # and high price. I have only seen a handful of LC500s on the road since they came out while i see on average at least 2-3 per day of the new 8series. When the new 8 GranCoupe is out, it will be everywhere as well.
Lexus waited so long just to bring the Vert model and still no LCF - just horrible marketing and product planning. Its now summer and Convertible will probably arrive in December.....
06-21-20, 09:21 AM
#49
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
I personally really like the LC500 and would probably choose it over M850i.
When it came out - I predicted it would be DOA due to its low HP # and high price. I have only seen a handful of LC500s on the road since they came out while i see on average at least 2-3 per day of the new 8series. When the new 8 GranCoupe is out, it will be everywhere as well.
Lexus waited so long just to bring the Vert model and still no LCF - just horrible marketing and product planning. Its now summer and Convertible will probably arrive in December.....
When it came out - I predicted it would be DOA due to its low HP # and high price. I have only seen a handful of LC500s on the road since they came out while i see on average at least 2-3 per day of the new 8series. When the new 8 GranCoupe is out, it will be everywhere as well.
Lexus waited so long just to bring the Vert model and still no LCF - just horrible marketing and product planning. Its now summer and Convertible will probably arrive in December.....
06-22-20, 06:19 AM
#50
Pole Position
THe LC500 could have been great. I wished Lexus learned from the RCF and GSF fiasco when introducing this car. No one wants a relatively slow expensive car, especially when it is from a manufacturer that dont normally play in the hi-po $100k playing field. They should have introduced it with the 3.5L TT as teh base engine, with a detuned 4L V8TT at around 525hp and 2 yrs later introduce the LCF with the high tune version of the TTV8 at 650hp.
06-22-20, 06:38 AM
#51
Sure nobody realistically needs more than 300hp in the real world, if that, depending on the size of the vehicle, but it matters to the person shelling out over $100k, $200k, $300k for the things. One would think the LC500 would have been a runaway sales success right? Reality shows that numbers matters.
06-22-20, 01:46 PM
#53
THe LC500 could have been great. I wished Lexus learned from the RCF and GSF fiasco when introducing this car. No one wants a relatively slow expensive car, especially when it is from a manufacturer that dont normally play in the hi-po $100k playing field. They should have introduced it with the 3.5L TT as teh base engine, with a detuned 4L V8TT at around 525hp and 2 yrs later introduce the LCF with the high tune version of the TTV8 at 650hp.
06-22-20, 01:57 PM
#54
toyota/lexus engineers are super conservative when it comes to products they put out in view of the public so they can ensure they meet their quality bar. imagine if they went and the thing broke down - early. not a good look.
i can totally see them protecting their quality/reliability reputation when they couldn't do enough testing in prep for the event. since i test for a living i can appreciate puling out and how that must have been a tough call given they haven't missed since 07. prob an easy one though if they didn't have data supporting they were ready.
i can totally see them protecting their quality/reliability reputation when they couldn't do enough testing in prep for the event. since i test for a living i can appreciate puling out and how that must have been a tough call given they haven't missed since 07. prob an easy one though if they didn't have data supporting they were ready.
06-22-20, 02:45 PM
#55
guess we will have go agree to disagree.
A 2013 BMW M5 had 560 HP, a 2020 BMW M5 (same engine in M8) has 600 HP. After 7 years it increased by 40 HP.
So if lexus releases their twin turbo v8 in 2023 with 650 HP, you're telling me its going to be outdated does not make logical sense imo. In 7 years they moved 40 hp but youre predicting in the next 3 years bmw will increase it by 200 hp?
Taking it even further, a 2004 M5 had 500 hp. In 16 years it increased by 100 hp. I know hp does not tell the whole story but you can't say a 650 hp engine that gets released in 2023 will be outdated.
A 2013 BMW M5 had 560 HP, a 2020 BMW M5 (same engine in M8) has 600 HP. After 7 years it increased by 40 HP.
So if lexus releases their twin turbo v8 in 2023 with 650 HP, you're telling me its going to be outdated does not make logical sense imo. In 7 years they moved 40 hp but youre predicting in the next 3 years bmw will increase it by 200 hp?
Taking it even further, a 2004 M5 had 500 hp. In 16 years it increased by 100 hp. I know hp does not tell the whole story but you can't say a 650 hp engine that gets released in 2023 will be outdated.
Last edited by Blaze876; 06-22-20 at 02:48 PM.
06-22-20, 07:39 PM
#57
Lead Lap
Glad I am not the only one trying to hang on to Lexus V8 experience. I've now added a 2004 SC430 to my collection.
I think Toyota is sensing the huge demand for the upcoming RAV4 Prime, so I wouldn't be surprised that they are pushing Lexus to put its resources in that area.
I think Toyota is sensing the huge demand for the upcoming RAV4 Prime, so I wouldn't be surprised that they are pushing Lexus to put its resources in that area.
it really is just absolute perfection the way this engine/transmission combo gets you down the road... no other car is quite as satisfying to nonchalantly merge onto a main road with the pedal held at about 1/3 travel until you reach 60-65, the engine pretty much never passes 2500 rpm as the fewer-cylindered peasantry cars continue to shrink into the rearview mirror
and the complete emphasis on comfort and smoothness is just unmatched by current cars, as is the refined classy styling and superior ergonomics... not to mention the relative ease of serviceability
in an ideal world i'd want a new 1999 LS with auto high beams, a usb connection, a backup camera (with the display showing up in the mirror like the FJ cruiser), and cooled seats would be nice
06-23-20, 12:02 AM
#59
Lexus Test Driver
guess we will have go agree to disagree.
A 2013 BMW M5 had 560 HP, a 2020 BMW M5 (same engine in M8) has 600 HP. After 7 years it increased by 40 HP.
So if lexus releases their twin turbo v8 in 2023 with 650 HP, you're telling me its going to be outdated does not make logical sense imo. In 7 years they moved 40 hp but youre predicting in the next 3 years bmw will increase it by 200 hp?
Taking it even further, a 2004 M5 had 500 hp. In 16 years it increased by 100 hp. I know hp does not tell the whole story but you can't say a 650 hp engine that gets released in 2023 will be outdated.
A 2013 BMW M5 had 560 HP, a 2020 BMW M5 (same engine in M8) has 600 HP. After 7 years it increased by 40 HP.
So if lexus releases their twin turbo v8 in 2023 with 650 HP, you're telling me its going to be outdated does not make logical sense imo. In 7 years they moved 40 hp but youre predicting in the next 3 years bmw will increase it by 200 hp?
Taking it even further, a 2004 M5 had 500 hp. In 16 years it increased by 100 hp. I know hp does not tell the whole story but you can't say a 650 hp engine that gets released in 2023 will be outdated.
The M5 Comp puts out 617hp and the M5CS (set to debut shortly) will have 650hp.
Mind you these #s are at the Wheels. At the crank, even the base M5 is putting out close to 700hp. Read some reviews or watch some YouTube videos and see how fast this M5 truly is. The E60 M5 had 500hp at very high RPMs and no torque. It was NA V10 with great sound but its not even close to the huge performance that the new M5 engine provides. So the 100hp difference on paper is very misleading.
The LCF was ready as of last year! Lexus and boy racer Toyoda-san delayed it. Now with Covid situation, it looks like it’s totally dead.
06-23-20, 07:21 AM
#60
Pole Position
guess we will have go agree to disagree.
A 2013 BMW M5 had 560 HP, a 2020 BMW M5 (same engine in M8) has 600 HP. After 7 years it increased by 40 HP.
So if lexus releases their twin turbo v8 in 2023 with 650 HP, you're telling me its going to be outdated does not make logical sense imo. In 7 years they moved 40 hp but youre predicting in the next 3 years bmw will increase it by 200 hp?
Taking it even further, a 2004 M5 had 500 hp. In 16 years it increased by 100 hp. I know hp does not tell the whole story but you can't say a 650 hp engine that gets released in 2023 will be outdated.
A 2013 BMW M5 had 560 HP, a 2020 BMW M5 (same engine in M8) has 600 HP. After 7 years it increased by 40 HP.
So if lexus releases their twin turbo v8 in 2023 with 650 HP, you're telling me its going to be outdated does not make logical sense imo. In 7 years they moved 40 hp but youre predicting in the next 3 years bmw will increase it by 200 hp?
Taking it even further, a 2004 M5 had 500 hp. In 16 years it increased by 100 hp. I know hp does not tell the whole story but you can't say a 650 hp engine that gets released in 2023 will be outdated.