Drove S560, 740i & LS500 back to back to back on the same test loop
#91
Lexus Fanatic
I'll take Steve's car if he sells it!!
(Steve.....you obviously know the fine-print in the lease-contract better than I do....correct me if I'm wrong)
#92
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
I most certainly could sell it to him directly. I always trade my cars in vs selling them, you can trade or sell a leased car same as a owned car, there's a payoff amount you just need to hit.
#93
Lexus Fanatic
#94
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Its just financing with a balloon payment at the end, think of it that way.
#95
Lexus Champion
People don’t understand this about leasing. I shudder when I read anything that states that you will walk away with nothing at the end of a lease. In all my leases, that’s only happened once.
#96
Lexus Fanatic
I can't speak as an expert on the subject, but that is probably because most people, at the end of a lease-contract, simply lease another new vehicle....so that's what they go home with. But, if they don't, than on those rare occasions, as you noted, at the end of a lease, all else equal, no, you won't have anything....except some used license-plates LOL, which probably go back to DMV for recycling if you don't re-register them on another vehicle.
#97
Pole Position
If that were true, they wouldn't have put in the effort to soften the suspension for this refresh, which they've put quite a bit of emphasis on in the press release. I don't buy for a second your claim that Lexus deliberately wanted the LS to be a low-volume selling vehicle.
Like I and others have said before, if Lexus truly wanted this to be a Panamera or Gran Coupe competitor, they would have offered much more performance options instead of executive seating packages. I respect them for taking the LS in a different direction, but they didn't take it far enough, and the end result is a compromise that doesn't truly satisfy anyone.
Like I and others have said before, if Lexus truly wanted this to be a Panamera or Gran Coupe competitor, they would have offered much more performance options instead of executive seating packages. I respect them for taking the LS in a different direction, but they didn't take it far enough, and the end result is a compromise that doesn't truly satisfy anyone.
Improving ride is always part and parcel of Toyota's continuous improvement philosophy to ownership experience and not some abrupt about-turn in strategy on the LS. For example, the ISF face-lifts improved the ride of the very harsh riding first year.
Incidentally that conversely actually improved the track times of the ISF.
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#98
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
G90 just looks like a plushmobile, and that's the reviews it gets, too.
I get times have changed but there are plenty of people who still want to drive an isolation chamber, myself included. Lexus clearly doesn't get that and it's pitiful because they basically invented it.
#99
I think the F-Sport package of the LS500 with rear wheel steering, adjustable stabilizer bars, and huge 2 piece rotors/big brake kit are quite significant performance options.
Improving ride is always part and parcel of Toyota's continuous improvement philosophy to ownership experience and not some abrupt about-turn in strategy on the LS. For example, the ISF face-lifts improved the ride of the very harsh riding first year.
Incidentally that conversely actually improved the track times of the ISF.
Improving ride is always part and parcel of Toyota's continuous improvement philosophy to ownership experience and not some abrupt about-turn in strategy on the LS. For example, the ISF face-lifts improved the ride of the very harsh riding first year.
Incidentally that conversely actually improved the track times of the ISF.
The IS-F comparison is irrelevant when the degree of harshness of ride in any F product is far higher than the LS 500. The IS-F was a car that's simply hard to live with. Nobody has complained that the new LS is hard to live with or harsh at all, but that it's too harsh compared to the flagship sedans that it's supposed to compete against. If the LS truly did compete with the Panamera and Gran Coupe, then the supposedly harsher suspension would be a non-issue, because that segment of vehicles is not aimed at being floaty boaty. And I'm not sure how "continuous improvement" applies here when the entire character of the LS 500 is a 180 from the LS 460 to begin with.
It's okay to admit that Lexus makes mistakes, and the LS was one of them. No matter how you want to spin it, its lacking sales performance was not what Toyota anticipated. Personally, I wanted the LS to succeed. I would much rather Lexus make more bold attempts that went against the grain like the 5LS and LC than continue their current trend of cancelling or ignoring performance and rear-wheel-drive cars while putting more emphasis on their FWD CUV lineup. But ultimately, they are a corporation and they have to make money, whether we as enthusiasts like it or not.
#100
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (3)
Didn't read the whole thread, but honestly modern cars are not that much different when it comes purely to the driving experience - as long as they are in the same class/category, they will drive almost the same. It really comes down to personal preferences on interior/exterior styling and preference of infotainment system. I personally would go with a 750 as I don't like MB interiors and can't stand the infotainment system in the Lexus.
#101
#102
Lexus Test Driver
ok maybe throughout the interior is a bit hyperbolic but the shifter is quite chintzy feeling... i suppose the amount of plastic throughout the interior is more accurate
#103
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (3)
BMW interiors are nice with very good materials - they improved tenfold in the recent years. One thing with BMWs however, their audio systems are absolute garbage, even the most expensive systems are nothing but a good looking covers with high end badge on cheapest paper cones.
#104
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Didn't read the whole thread, but honestly modern cars are not that much different when it comes purely to the driving experience - as long as they are in the same class/category, they will drive almost the same. It really comes down to personal preferences on interior/exterior styling and preference of infotainment system. I personally would go with a 750 as I don't like MB interiors and can't stand the infotainment system in the Lexus.
7 Series has the best materials in the class, if anything.
#105
Lexus Champion