mmarshall

Have you looked at or driven a G90?

It's currently under a lease-contract. I don't think he can sell it to you directly. You'd probably have to either buy out the contract from the dealership, at the car's residual-value (or whatever the dealership asks for it), or simply buy it as a regular used-car (Probably a Lexus-Certified one) from the dealership, after it has been returned at the end of the contract.

(Steve.....you obviously know the fine-print in the lease-contract better than I do....correct me if I'm wrong)

SW17LS

I most certainly could sell it to him directly. I always trade my cars in vs selling them, you can trade or sell a leased car same as a owned car, there's a payoff amount you just need to hit.

mmarshall

OK....I have not personally been through that process (or seen it done)......but I take your word for it. I don't deal a lot with leased vehicles......most of those people I shop with, including myself, end up purchasing, though I did help a friend of mine (a restaurant manager) through a Chrysler 300 lease. I guess it depends on the fine print in the contract.

SW17LS

Its just financing with a balloon payment at the end, think of it that way.

JDR76

People don’t understand this about leasing. I shudder when I read anything that states that you will walk away with nothing at the end of a lease. In all my leases, that’s only happened once.

mmarshall

I can't speak as an expert on the subject, but that is probably because most people, at the end of a lease-contract, simply lease another new vehicle....so that's what they go home with. But, if they don't, than on those rare occasions, as you noted, at the end of a lease, all else equal, no, you won't have anything....except some used license-plates LOL, which probably go back to DMV for recycling if you don't re-register them on another vehicle.

natnut

I think the F-Sport package of the LS500 with rear wheel steering, adjustable stabilizer bars, and huge 2 piece rotors/big brake kit are quite significant performance options.

Improving ride is always part and parcel of Toyota's continuous improvement philosophy to ownership experience and not some abrupt about-turn in strategy on the LS. For example, the ISF face-lifts improved the ride of the very harsh riding first year.

Incidentally that conversely actually improved the track times of the ISF.

bitkahuna

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that's kinda funny... my 2018 g90 will be 3 years old mar '21 and will likely have less than 30k mi. on it the way things are going. the lease buyout price is $31K i believe. i'm considering whether to buy it because it feels completely bulletproof to me. i've not read of ANY issues, either. mine has the 3.3TTv6 but you can get them with the 5.0v8 - an engine that's been around a good while and which i've also not read of ANY issues with. i'm also considering replacing this g90 with a new one, this time with the v8 because v8's are going the way of the dinosaur in the next few years.

And an LS460L isn't? also, my car handles corners surprisingly well.

my car is very quiet, and the new ones are apparently even quieter.

Motorola

The F-Sport package can hardly be considered a real performance upgrade. Compare it to something like an Audi S8, which comes with a twin turbo V8, ceramic brakes, a rear differential, in addition to the all-wheel-steering and adaptive dampers. And the S8 has the least amount of performance upgrades compared to its two German counterparts. Worse yet, AWD LS F-Sports don't get the rear steer. Like most F-Sport packages, the changes are mostly cosmetic and don't dramatically change the performance of the vehicle.

The IS-F comparison is irrelevant when the degree of harshness of ride in any F product is far higher than the LS 500. The IS-F was a car that's simply hard to live with. Nobody has complained that the new LS is hard to live with or harsh at all, but that it's too harsh compared to the flagship sedans that it's supposed to compete against. If the LS truly did compete with the Panamera and Gran Coupe, then the supposedly harsher suspension would be a non-issue, because that segment of vehicles is not aimed at being floaty boaty. And I'm not sure how "continuous improvement" applies here when the entire character of the LS 500 is a 180 from the LS 460 to begin with.

It's okay to admit that Lexus makes mistakes, and the LS was one of them. No matter how you want to spin it, its lacking sales performance was not what Toyota anticipated. Personally, I wanted the LS to succeed. I would much rather Lexus make more bold attempts that went against the grain like the 5LS and LC than continue their current trend of cancelling or ignoring performance and rear-wheel-drive cars while putting more emphasis on their FWD CUV lineup. But ultimately, they are a corporation and they have to make money, whether we as enthusiasts like it or not.

Och

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Didn't read the whole thread, but honestly modern cars are not that much different when it comes purely to the driving experience - as long as they are in the same class/category, they will drive almost the same. It really comes down to personal preferences on interior/exterior styling and preference of infotainment system. I personally would go with a 750 as I don't like MB interiors and can't stand the infotainment system in the Lexus.

Bob04

So, what did you walk away with in those other leases?

Stroock639

a 2019 M760i lol

ok maybe throughout the interior is a bit hyperbolic but the shifter is quite chintzy feeling... i suppose the amount of plastic throughout the interior is more accurate

Och

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BMW interiors are nice with very good materials - they improved tenfold in the recent years. One thing with BMWs however, their audio systems are absolute garbage, even the most expensive systems are nothing but a good looking covers with high end badge on cheapest paper cones.

SW17LS

They drive similarly, but not the same at all. There are differences for sure, especially with the LS500 which doesnt feel anything like the other cars.

I don't see how we could be sitting in the same two interiors. The only plastic I could find on the interior of the 740i I drove was the lower B pillar and the door thresholds and the grab handles at the ceiling. And the M760i has the full extended merino leather which has MORE leather and those door handles are wood, even the seatbelt surrounds are wood. Everything else is stitched leather, metal or wood. All the switchgear is even metal. The shifter is the same shifter BMW has used for years, it is what it is. I don't think it feels cheap.

7 Series has the best materials in the class, if anything.

JDR76

Money.

If the value of the vehicle is higher than your lease-end buyout, you can sell it or trade it and pocket the cash. On my last Tacoma lease that was about $7k. Most other leases have been about $1-4k back.