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Old 12-13-20 | 08:34 AM
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With the screen, note they didnt make the LC500 a touchscreen!
I saw that too. I doubt it will change.
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A new touchscreen may seem like a small change, but it's actually a huge one




There was one glaring problem with the Lexus LS 500 prior to this year’s refresh: the Remote Touch infotainment system. To put it simply, it was a nightmare to use and a potential deal breaker. As it does in other Lexus products, Remote Touch featured a large display controlled by a laptop-like touchpad that was difficult and distracting to use. Lexus has surely tired of hearing the complaints from reviewers and customers alike, and for 2021, there's a touchscreen. Hurrah!

That's clearly the biggest update for the 2021 Lexus LS 500, but the four-door flagship is treated to a number of other improvements for its mid-cycle freshening as well. Considering the totally new Mercedes-Benz S-Class is bearing down in the Lexus’ rearview mirror, it’s smart timing. Lexus allowed us to live with both the 2020 and 2021 LS 500s for a couple days to ensure we’d notice every last difference between them.

It takes a sharp eye to see what designers have massaged on the exterior. Look closely, and you’ll notice the snazzy Z-shaped headlight fixtures have lost the Z. It’s a cleaner design, but does subtract from their flashiness. The big spindle grille is present and accounted for — Lexus applies a darker finish to it this year. It’s still as shouty and in-your-face as it gets for a car in this class, which isn’t easy considering the 7 Series’ new snout.

Lexus had to redesign the dash for the touchscreen to be reachable. The large 12.3-inch widescreen that was shoved way back and nestled under a hood in the previous two-tiered dash design has been pulled way out to stand on its own in tablet-like fashion for 2021. The illuminated graphic panel that was adjacent to the infotainment screen is gone. The look is ultimately less integrated and harmonious, but at least it’s usable now.

Improving how the LS 500 drives was also on Lexus’ to-do list with this update. It’s still powered by a 3.5-liter twin-turbo V6, but Lexus is using a new piston design that makes the engine quieter when cold. The wastegate control was updated to improve both performance and efficiency, and the 10-speed automatic’s shift logic was re-calibrated to be smarter when the driver asks for power. Even with the changes, output is unchanged at 416 horsepower and 442 pound-feet of torque. That’s enough to get our rear-drive LS 500 F Sport from 0-60 mph in just 4.6 seconds, all while leaving a long patch of rubber in our wake. Plenty fun, but it’s not what the LS is about.

The more vital mechanical changes for 2021 are found in the suspension. Both spring and damper rates are revised to aid ride comfort; the anti-roll bars are bigger to reduce body roll, and both front and rear liquid-filled bushings are larger for a plusher ride. The difference in ride comfort is immediately noticeable on the road. Where the 2020 LS 500 exhibits some jittery behavior, the 2021 model completely smooths the unevenness out. The 2020 F Sport’s ride feels unnaturally sporty in comparison. It’s as if Lexus remembered it was building an LS and not a sport sedan for 2021. Pockmarked city streets deliver softer blows to the cabin, and highway expansion joints are less harsh. The 2021 Lexus LS (even the F Sport model with the $7,800 Dynamic Handling Package) rides like an LS should: comfort and isolation, above all else.

Similar to the 7 Series and S-Class, though, the LS 500 with all those handling goodies is far better than you’d expect on a twisty section of tarmac. Its rear-wheel-steering system makes turn-in sharp, and the bigger F Sport brakes scrub speed in a hurry. Lexus disguises its 4,916-pound weight well. We didn’t notice much difference in handling performance versus the 2020, which is good considering the car rides significantly better this year. The biggest letdown is transmission tuning. Even with the LS in Sport Plus mode, it’s hopelessly confused when you ask it to be sporty, leaving you in far too high a gear on corner exit, only to finally slam it back into low gear as you’re getting ready to brake for the next corner. But hey, if you’re driving your Lexus LS 500 like a sports car, what the hell are you doing? Use the halfway decent and responsive paddle shifters if you must.

What you should be far more concerned about is how comfy your arms, legs and buttocks are. Our verdict? Exceedingly comfortable. Lexus says it added more padding to the armrests and seat cushions, but our pointy elbows and butts couldn’t be the wiser. The driving position and comfort level was top-shelf before, and it’s the same for 2021. What is appreciated is a physical shortcut switch to display the seat temperature and steering wheel heater controls on the screen (just another of the many Remote Touch annoyances from before). Actual buttons for those items would’ve been better, but at least the process to turn on your heated seat is just two easy clicks away instead of two clicks, two errant swipes, one accurate swipe, two errant swipes and one last accurate swipe.

The new touchscreen isn’t without its faults, though. When using the native Lexus system apps, it doesn’t register swipes, only taps. That means the only way to “swipe” through menus is by touching the little arrows on the top or bottom of the menu screens. If you do try and swipe around the screen as you would any other car’s infotainment system or your phone, it simply selects the first item your finger touches. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto both allow you to swipe about as you would normally, yet none of the Lexus systems do. Annoying.

Despite this, we still prefer having a touchscreen. Lexus still includes its Remote Touch control pad as a redundant interface, but its only useful feature is its back button. The redundant control ***** found in numerous touchscreen-equipped luxury cars serve a purpose by being better suited to certain tasks like scrolling through radio stations or contacts, but that's not the case with the Lexus touchpad.

The rest of the LS is just as lovely as before. It’s whisper quiet at highway speeds, and any remaining noise is silenced by the marvelous 23-speaker Mark Levinson audio system ($1,940 extra). The Lexus driver assistance technologies are decent highway companions, but the lane-tracing is still a couple steps behind its European competitors. Its most impressive party trick is the front cross-traffic animation in the head-up display that flashes an arrow across your field of view in the direction traffic is coming from. It sees cars before the driver can see them, an ability that could be legitimately useful for intersections with poor visibility.

Lexus’ value argument is still completely valid for 2021, as well. The updated LS 500 starts at $77,025, which is just $550 more than the outgoing model (our heavily loaded F Sport tester hit $98,630). Every penny of that base price increase is worth it for the comfort improvements and added usefulness of a touchscreen. A base 7 Series that is both slower and lacking in features versus the LS costs over $10,000 more. The same can be said for an Audi A8 and Mercedes-Benz S-Class, too. If money is no object, though, all those Germans can be optioned up with tech and features missing from the Lexus catalog. Plus, they can be had with much more powerful engines.

The Lexus' only other powertrain option is the LS 500h, which is a hybrid model that is a touch slower to 60 mph than the standard LS 500. The updated version of the 500h is coming next year — we haven’t driven it yet, but Lexus promises better acceleration from a few changes it made to the electric motors and battery. We’ll be able to tell you if it’s the LS 500 version to get once we do get behind the wheel. For the time being, the standard 2021 Lexus LS 500 has fixed its biggest faults. It drives and coddles like an LS should. And one last time, for the people in the back, thanks for the touchscreen, Lexus.
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I saw a LS500 the other day at the grocery store. The design and styling looks stunning out there in the wild. Blue with a beige interior.
Old 12-16-20 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I saw a LS500 the other day at the grocery store. The design and styling looks stunning out there in the wild. Blue with a beige interior.
Yes I have come around on the looks. I didn’t like it at first but now, whew.... Stunningly good looking. Might be the best looking in class to my eyes.



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I saw a black F-sport the other day pulling out. Never seen an F one of these in person.

It was stunning, I almost wrecked gawking at it.

EVERYTHING was blacked out. Insane, I seriously almost wrecked like I said.

He pulled out right behind me, all black. I can’t emphasize how black this car was. I just stared in the rear view mirror until I turned into the store lol.

LS500 is the most daring of them all that’s for sure. With this update and the right rims (like in above pics) it’s the best looking out of all of the competition IMHO. Facelifts when done right can be an amazing things to cars you don’t really desire. Like the pre 2004 LS430s....great car but frumpy—facelift made LS430 gawkworthy.
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The exterior looks are not so much the problem it's the fact there is no V8, the interior is too small and I suspect the unusual interior design turns some off. Also the 2021 glued on screen ruined the interior vibe IMO.
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F-Sport does look good. Such a shame you can't combine it with luxury interior. That red is absolutely horrendous. Some italian guy offered me the white one with red interior for 50k, it was a pass on interior alone.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I saw a black F-sport the other day pulling out. Never seen an F one of these in person.

It was stunning, I almost wrecked gawking at it.

EVERYTHING was blacked out. Insane, I seriously almost wrecked like I said.

He pulled out right behind me, all black. I can’t emphasize how black this car was. I just stared in the rear view mirror until I turned into the store lol.

LS500 is the most daring of them all that’s for sure. With this update and the right rims (like in above pics) it’s the best looking out of all of the competition IMHO. Facelifts when done right can be an amazing things to cars you don’t really desire. Like the pre 2004 LS430s....great car but frumpy—facelift made LS430 gawkworthy.
I like the non-F sport...anything a lighter color interior. I do think this new LS appeals to a younger crowd.....not for the old folks
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
The exterior looks are not so much the problem it's the fact there is no V8, the interior is too small and I suspect. the unusual interior design turns some off. Also the 2021 glued on screen ruined the interior vibe IMO.
Oh, wholeheartedly agree with you, every single sentence. I’ve always *****ed about that. But it is what it is. V8s don’t come standard on high end luxury flagship sedans anymore. Trust me, nobody hates it more than me. I’ve been in an LS500 and it was fast but nothing really satisfying from under the hood. Sounded like crap. Not very smooth but Lexus did engineer the NVH out. Also agree screen is tacked on. But it sure looks good.

I want to see a comparison test 740, S450, LS500 from MT or C&D. I guarantee the S-Class will overwhelmingly win but still I’d like to see. That reviewer did mention several times that the ride is much better and it’s like Lexus realized people want the ride it was always famous for.


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F-Sport does look good. Such a shame you can't combine it with luxury interior. That red is absolutely horrendous. Some italian guy offered me the white one with red interior for 50k, it was a pass on interior alone.
Wholeheartedly agree here, too. I would pass on an F-sport for the simple reason that you get no wood. That goes for 2013+, it’s a shame. I want wood and LOTS of it in my flagship car.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Oh, wholeheartedly agree with you, every single sentence. I’ve always *****ed about that. But it is what it is. V8s don’t come standard on high end luxury flagship sedans anymore. Trust me, nobody hates it more than me. I’ve been in an LS500 and it was fast but nothing really satisfying from under the hood. Sounded like crap. Not very smooth but Lexus did engineer the NVH out. Also agree screen is tacked on. But it sure looks good.

I want to see a comparison test 740, S450, LS500 from MT or C&D. I guarantee the S-Class will overwhelmingly win but still I’d like to see. That reviewer did mention several times that the ride is much better and it’s like Lexus realized people want the ride it was always famous for.




Wholeheartedly agree here, too. I would pass on an F-sport for the simple reason that you get no wood. That goes for 2013+, it’s a shame. I want wood and LOTS of it in my flagship car.
I agree it is what it is. A new TT V8 would push it over 100K starting for sure....Toyota engines are pretty high tech and that comes at a price.

Would you have liked to see the LS turn into a EV?

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LS would have been the perfect car to bring out an EV platform. High priced, large, low volume.
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LS would have been the perfect car to bring out an EV platform. High priced, large, low volume.
Couldn’t agree more. I would like a Tesla EV, but with Lexus quality. I look at my current LS and wish it had Tesla guts. Would certainly pep up the car!
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
LS would have been the perfect car to bring out an EV platform. High priced, large, low volume.
If Tesla has a 1% profit margin...my guess is there is no money to be made for Toyota at the price point....I believe Toyota’s margins are 25%...It would be nice to see a Lexus LS EV it would be the perfect platform, I do agree. ....I guess they will use their gas profits for the next gen EV LS
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I agree it is what it is. A new TT V8 would push it over 100K starting for sure....Toyota engines are pretty high tech and that comes at a price.

Would you have liked to see the LS turn into a EV?
LOL absolutely not. Let Tesla be Tesla.

But I do agree with this reviewer who says Lexus let’s take it up a notch. Lexus certainly can do it and has the ability and resources. Let’s get an LS that really can stand up to an S-Class. They’ve done it before and can do it again.
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
LS would have been the perfect car to bring out an EV platform. High priced, large, low volume.
That would require Toyota to have actually spent the time and money to develop an EV platform. It's been 3 years since the LS500 was sold and we've yet to see that in production.



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