2021 LS500 arrives with new looks, self driving tech
#62
Agree. Stunned that lexus even made a video on how to use the seats. in 4 easy steps!! haha. Worst case scenario, this does as discussed, just brings up the seating menu. Best case scenario, it would turn the heated/ventilated seats on, with easily customizable temperature ranges on which to do, i.e. when above ____ temp, do ventilated, when below _____ temp, heat and turn on wheel. With added variability accessible through the original menu.
#63
Im all for better self driving tech, but they couldn't have found a way to do it without creating that ugly black sensor on the side and front grill? Tesla camera sensors are well integrated, and Mercedes was able to get around it with out apparent modifications to body panels, ands till has a very comprehensive self driving car. Unless this is ready for full self driving, like level 4 when it comes out, this seems like they should have spent more money on integration aesthetics.
#64
Yeah about that 6 seconds 0-60....I know it's CR and they usually get slower numbers. But per them this LS500 is barely any faster than a 1998-00 LS400 or LS430, lol. I'll leave the .3-.4 seconds and be slower enjoying the smoothest V8 ever made, personally.
#65
I agree - but I think hard for Lexus (or Toyota) to justify "scrapping" their $$$ already invested in this new LS when the market (if they get it right) won't justify the extra cost. Outside of the first LS400, many have not compared the S-class to the LS since so Lexus should know they are pretty far behind as it is. I believe Toyota/Lexus are putting their $$ and focus on EV's and Hybrids so a comprehensive revamp on a low-volume sedan may not be top of their list.
Maybe they could afford to get the LS500 wrong, but they certainly can't afford to mess up the new Land Cruiser/LX/LQ where consumers are buying SUV's...
Maybe they could afford to get the LS500 wrong, but they certainly can't afford to mess up the new Land Cruiser/LX/LQ where consumers are buying SUV's...
#66
I like the new headlights with the DRL integrated into the headlights though.
I agree. I also think this LS generation's fastback design would've been great for a GS.
I agree. I also think this LS generation's fastback design would've been great for a GS.
#67
"One feature of Lexus Teammate is Advanced Drive, which is designed for highway driving. According to Lexus, this feature can relieve the driver of having to use the accelerator, brakes, and steering on stretches of road without pedestrians and cyclists, including where there are lane splits and lane changes necessary, though the driver still needs to be alert and ready to take over in case of an emergency.
Another handy feature is Advanced Park. This feature handles the steering, acceleration, braking and gear changes required for parking, and presents the driver with a 360-degree view of the surroundings for easy monitoring."
These features sound a lot like Distronic Plus with Steering Assist, and Parktronic with Active Parking Assist that are on my 2015 S550.
Another handy feature is Advanced Park. This feature handles the steering, acceleration, braking and gear changes required for parking, and presents the driver with a 360-degree view of the surroundings for easy monitoring."
These features sound a lot like Distronic Plus with Steering Assist, and Parktronic with Active Parking Assist that are on my 2015 S550.
#68
Guess we can throw out the "level 5 autonomy" speculation when Toyota has confirmed Teammate is only level 2. It does use LiDAR though, as predicted.
https://www.autonews.com/technology/...vel-automation
I don't understand why they put in all this effort into using LiDAR if all they were able to achieve is level 2. Level 2 is about where the Germans and now Genesis are at using more conventional sensors.
https://www.autonews.com/technology/...vel-automation
I don't understand why they put in all this effort into using LiDAR if all they were able to achieve is level 2. Level 2 is about where the Germans and now Genesis are at using more conventional sensors.
#69
Guess we can throw out the "level 5 autonomy" speculation when Toyota has confirmed Teammate is only level 2. It does use LiDAR though, as predicted.
https://www.autonews.com/technology/...vel-automation
I don't understand why they put in all this effort into using LiDAR if all they were able to achieve is level 2. Level 2 is about where the Germans and now Genesis are at using more conventional sensors.
https://www.autonews.com/technology/...vel-automation
I don't understand why they put in all this effort into using LiDAR if all they were able to achieve is level 2. Level 2 is about where the Germans and now Genesis are at using more conventional sensors.
#71
There are some positive changes in this very mild refresh. Unfortunately, the screen is one of the most visible, and they blew it on that one. Looks very dated with the thick bezel and weird shape. Also, unfortunately, they needed more than a step in the right direction. They needed something like this in the right direction.
#72
That screen....my god how hideous. The exterior changes are standard facelift fare, I think the pre-refresh looked better but they wouldn't keep me from getting one. That screen though, truly horrible.
Glad to hear about the quietness and ride updates. I think they can make this car ride and drive the way an LS should with suspension changes.
Glad to hear about the quietness and ride updates. I think they can make this car ride and drive the way an LS should with suspension changes.
#73
That screen....my god how hideous. The exterior changes are standard facelift fare, I think the pre-refresh looked better but they wouldn't keep me from getting one. That screen though, truly horrible.
Glad to hear about the quietness and ride updates. I think they can make this car ride and drive the way an LS should with suspension changes.
Glad to hear about the quietness and ride updates. I think they can make this car ride and drive the way an LS should with suspension changes.
I hope you're right though, you can let us know if you drive one.
#74
Have you actually driven one? Its not THAT dramatic. Softer dampers, revised adaptive tuning will have a big impact, ditching the run flats will have a big impact too. True, nothing can make the interior room bigger.
You have always been able to buy softer riding cars than the LS. Its never ridden like a Town Car or a Fleetwood or something like that, its always had a firmness to it, a more European ride. What set the LS apart was how super refined it has always been and how nothing you ran over ever seemed to really bother you. Its not that you ran over things and felt nothing. The 430 is the wallowiest version of the LS, but the 400 wasn't that way and nor was the 460. The 500 is just a little bit too firm and lacks a refinement that the previous LS sedans had. You can engineer that back in.
You have always been able to buy softer riding cars than the LS. Its never ridden like a Town Car or a Fleetwood or something like that, its always had a firmness to it, a more European ride. What set the LS apart was how super refined it has always been and how nothing you ran over ever seemed to really bother you. Its not that you ran over things and felt nothing. The 430 is the wallowiest version of the LS, but the 400 wasn't that way and nor was the 460. The 500 is just a little bit too firm and lacks a refinement that the previous LS sedans had. You can engineer that back in.