Toyota Corolla Cross
02-10-22, 03:01 PM
#76
Lexus Fanatic
Yes, I agree....their profiles/outlines are quite similar. In fact, to be honest, I had some brief eye-mix-ups myself on the Toyota lot yesterday, trying to separate the RAV-4s from the Corolla Crosses. The Crosses were a little smaller (not much) and with slightly lower rooflines.
02-10-22, 03:10 PM
#78
Lexus Fanatic
Was it getting much crowd-attention at the show? 
Seems like people who aren't looking for a lot of frills, appreciate drivetrain-reliability (although these CVT transmissions may not last as long as conventional automatics), and want something reasonably-priced and versatile, would be taking a decent look at it. Although it (probably) lacks the kind of Buick sound-insulation that the Encore GX has, and definitely lacks the Buick trim and plushness inside, it is arguably the best competition I've seen yet to the Trailblazer/Encore GX, though a little larger than the GM products, and also probably not quite as nimble or easy-parking. I guessing on the road-manners because I did not actually test-drive it.
Seems like people who aren't looking for a lot of frills, appreciate drivetrain-reliability (although these CVT transmissions may not last as long as conventional automatics), and want something reasonably-priced and versatile, would be taking a decent look at it. Although it (probably) lacks the kind of Buick sound-insulation that the Encore GX has, and definitely lacks the Buick trim and plushness inside, it is arguably the best competition I've seen yet to the Trailblazer/Encore GX, though a little larger than the GM products, and also probably not quite as nimble or easy-parking. I guessing on the road-manners because I did not actually test-drive it.
02-10-22, 03:25 PM
#79
Lexus Fanatic
Although it was some time ago, people went ape-**** over the first RAV-4 when it was introduced to the American market in 1996/97. Toyota dealerships were charging over list. Even today, it is easily in the Top Ten in sales. We saw a lot of the same attention when Subaru introduced the Outback and Honda the CR-V.
02-10-22, 03:32 PM
#80
Lexus Fanatic
Although it was some time ago, people went ape-**** over the first RAV-4 when it was introduced to the American market in 1996/97. Toyota dealerships were charging over list. Even today, it is easily in the Top Ten in sales. We saw a lot of the same attention when Subaru introduced the Outback and Honda the CR-V.
02-10-22, 03:36 PM
#81
Lexus Fanatic
Underneath, the RAV-4 was still a car-based crossover, like the Corolla Cross. The only real difference is that the Corolla Cross sits a little lower, has only a 5-door version unlike the original RAV-4's 3-door / 5-door, stores the spare tire inside instead of the hatch-lid, and has a little more room inside for a small family.
02-10-22, 04:03 PM
#82
Lexus Fanatic
Underneath, the RAV-4 was still a car-based crossover, like the Corolla Cross. The only real difference is that the Corolla Cross sits a little lower, has only a 5-door version unlike the original RAV-4's 3-door / 5-door, stores the spare tire inside instead of the hatch-lid, and has a little more room inside for a small family.
02-11-22, 08:46 AM
#83
Yeah you're right. The RAV4 has become more like 4Runner now. It used to be round and smooth. It was quite good looking when it first came out IMO. Speaking of this... I do feel a bit now when some say they like the old round smooth designs on some of Toyota/Lexus cars.
02-11-22, 04:53 PM
#84
Lexus Fanatic
Not quite to the extent that you seem to be placing it. There are still a number people who appreciate function over form.
While one can't predict hard numbers, especially in this pandemic and the production/computer-chip shortage, personally, I think, in general, that this vehicle (the Corolla Cross) is going to do very well in the market pace, and will easily sell in whatever numbers it can be (reasonably) produced in to satisfy demand. It stands posed to make a noticeable dent in RAV-4, CR-V, Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Compass, and possibly even Nissan Rogue / Rogue-Sport sales.
While one can't predict hard numbers, especially in this pandemic and the production/computer-chip shortage, personally, I think, in general, that this vehicle (the Corolla Cross) is going to do very well in the market pace, and will easily sell in whatever numbers it can be (reasonably) produced in to satisfy demand. It stands posed to make a noticeable dent in RAV-4, CR-V, Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Compass, and possibly even Nissan Rogue / Rogue-Sport sales.
02-12-22, 07:38 AM
#85
Lexus Fanatic
While one can't predict hard numbers, especially in this pandemic and the production/computer-chip shortage, personally, I think, in general, that this vehicle (the Corolla Cross) is going to do very well in the market pace, and will easily sell in whatever numbers it can be (reasonably) produced in to satisfy demand. It stands posed to make a noticeable dent in RAV-4, CR-V, Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Compass, and possibly even Nissan Rogue / Rogue-Sport sales.
02-12-22, 08:39 AM
#86
Lexus Fanatic
You help sell real estate, not cars, for a living. I worked in aviation and related subjects for a living. But, yes, you can (and do) give new-car-buying advice and help, just as I do.
The (current-generation) RAV-4 may look slightly more rugged on the outside, with its more-scowling grille and two-tone roof, but underneath, they are very similar car-based crossovers....essentially raised-station-wagons with AWD. As far as I'm concerned, they are both all-weather basic transportation on dry pavement with some very mild off-roading. To get a true off-roadSUV in the Toyota American-market line, one needs to look at a 4Runner, or, (if they can afford one with its price tag) the Land Cruiser, until it is discontinued in favor of the Lexus LX.
It will do very well, but as basic transportation...its not going to have a cult following like the Rav-4 does.
02-12-22, 10:46 AM
#87
Lexus Fanatic
The (current-generation) RAV-4 may look slightly more rugged on the outside, with its more-scowling grille and two-tone roof, but underneath, they are very similar car-based crossovers....essentially raised-station-wagons with AWD. As far as I'm concerned, they are both all-weather basic transportation on dry pavement with some very mild off-roading. To get a true off-roadSUV in the Toyota American-market line, one needs to look at a 4Runner, or, (if they can afford one with its price tag) the Land Cruiser, until it is discontinued in favor of the Lexus LX.
They will continue to sell WAY more Rav 4s than Corolla Crosses…
Last edited by SW17LS; 02-12-22 at 10:51 AM.
02-12-22, 11:01 AM
#88
Lexus Fanatic
That remains to be seen, although I will agree that the RAV-4 is indeed a vehicle that a lot of people buy out of habit. But, until now, it has not faced the kind of competition, under the same Toyota nameplate, that the Corolla-Cross represents.
To some extent, it is similar to (but not exactly) like the situation you have at Jeep, with the Compass taking at least some of the sales that the (cult-like) Cherokee would otherwise be getting.
To some extent, it is similar to (but not exactly) like the situation you have at Jeep, with the Compass taking at least some of the sales that the (cult-like) Cherokee would otherwise be getting.
Last edited by mmarshall; 02-12-22 at 11:06 AM.
02-12-22, 01:39 PM
#89
Pole Position
With high inflation in food, fuel, shelter, and other fallout from the pandemic, lower income folks will be looking for the least expensive vehicle that meets their needs. Assuming we don't pull out of the economic doldrums we're in anytime soon, I could see the Cross outselling the RAV in the future. It's not a better choice, it's simply a more affordable choice.
02-12-22, 01:55 PM
#90
Lexus Fanatic
That remains to be seen, although I will agree that the RAV-4 is indeed a vehicle that a lot of people buy out of habit. But, until now, it has not faced the kind of competition, under the same Toyota nameplate, that the Corolla-Cross represents.
To some extent, it is similar to (but not exactly) like the situation you have at Jeep, with the Compass taking at least some of the sales that the (cult-like) Cherokee would otherwise be getting.
To some extent, it is similar to (but not exactly) like the situation you have at Jeep, with the Compass taking at least some of the sales that the (cult-like) Cherokee would otherwise be getting.
Originally Posted by Wilson2000
With high inflation in food, fuel, shelter, and other fallout from the pandemic, lower income folks will be looking for the least expensive vehicle that meets their needs. Assuming we don't pull out of the economic doldrums we're in anytime soon, I could see the Cross outselling the RAV in the future. It's not a better choice, it's simply a more affordable choice.