Sopranos Escalade vs. Continental
07-16-20, 08:00 AM
#46
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Tony Soprano as a character invented the anti-hero. You would never have Walter White if you didn't have Tony Soprano.
walter white found out he was dying from cancer but didn't tell his family. He turns to the drug business (from being a high school chemistry teacher) to raise money for his family without telling them and the drug biz turns him into a bad person.
Last edited by SW17LS; 07-16-20 at 08:16 AM.
07-16-20, 08:56 AM
#47
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Did you watch the whole show? Tony Soprano is nowhere near as one dimensional a character as you make him out to be. He's regarded as one of the best TV characters of all time for a reason. He's a deeply wounded and fundamentally messed up person, and thats just it...its an individual thing whether you come to the conclusion that he's a terrible person or not. He tries to be a good person within the confines of what his life and situation allow. He just doesn't mentally live in the same world or by the same rules as the rest of society.
Tony Soprano as a character invented the anti-hero. You would never have Walter White if you didn't have Tony Soprano.
It goes much deeper than that. Walter White was always a bad person, jealous, tortured. He hated himself and his life, too meek and weak to do anything about it. The drug business didn't turn him into a bad person, it drew those facets of his personality out that were always there. What got him started was partially providing for his family, but largely his desire to turn his back on his "by the book" way of living that he had decided had betrayed him.
Tony Soprano as a character invented the anti-hero. You would never have Walter White if you didn't have Tony Soprano.
It goes much deeper than that. Walter White was always a bad person, jealous, tortured. He hated himself and his life, too meek and weak to do anything about it. The drug business didn't turn him into a bad person, it drew those facets of his personality out that were always there. What got him started was partially providing for his family, but largely his desire to turn his back on his "by the book" way of living that he had decided had betrayed him.
as for the idea that walter white wouldn't have happened without a tony soprano, i disagree. how about dirty harry, charles bronson (mechanic), endless westerns with anti-heroes, heck luke skywalker's father became darth vadar - nature or nurture? lol
anyway, the escalade lives on, and the continental is dead.
07-16-20, 09:53 AM
#48
Lexus Champion
tony soprano is a violent mob boss whose family and the 'business' is driving him nuts so he goes to a shrink. It was obvious he was a terrible person all along.
walter white found out he was dying from cancer but didn't tell his family. He turns to the drug business (from being a high school chemistry teacher) to raise money for his family without telling them and the drug biz turns him into a bad person.
walter white was trying to provide for his family in a twisted way. tony soprano was a thug and picture of violent mental illness and evil. No way i could root for him, ever.
very different shows imo. I will say the acting and writing in both shows was excellent so i get why the sopranos was popular.
walter white found out he was dying from cancer but didn't tell his family. He turns to the drug business (from being a high school chemistry teacher) to raise money for his family without telling them and the drug biz turns him into a bad person.
walter white was trying to provide for his family in a twisted way. tony soprano was a thug and picture of violent mental illness and evil. No way i could root for him, ever.
very different shows imo. I will say the acting and writing in both shows was excellent so i get why the sopranos was popular.
07-16-20, 12:15 PM
#49
Lexus Champion
Tony isn't stupid like someone suggested, he's actually pretty smart. Always strategizing. Looking 5 steps down the road as Artie said when he tried to kill himself.
But Tony is not genius level like WW.
As for WW being Heisenberg all along, not sure I agree. At first he wanted to just leave his family money, but he got sucked into it. He was great at it and he liked it. Then he just started winning (personally for his own circumstances....like letting Jane die) and that was it, no turning back.
Both Gandolfini and Cranston (and basically all actors from both shows) stun me with their acting. I've seen both shows so many times (but Sopranos a trillion times) and am still always in awe of their talent.
But Tony is not genius level like WW.
As for WW being Heisenberg all along, not sure I agree. At first he wanted to just leave his family money, but he got sucked into it. He was great at it and he liked it. Then he just started winning (personally for his own circumstances....like letting Jane die) and that was it, no turning back.
Both Gandolfini and Cranston (and basically all actors from both shows) stun me with their acting. I've seen both shows so many times (but Sopranos a trillion times) and am still always in awe of their talent.
07-16-20, 12:15 PM
#50
Lexus Fanatic
as for the idea that walter white wouldn't have happened without a tony soprano, i disagree. how about dirty harry, charles bronson (mechanic), endless westerns with anti-heroes, heck luke skywalker's father became darth vadar - nature or nurture? lol
HOW THE GODFATHER OF TV ANTIHEROES TONY SOPRANO CHANGED TELEVISION FOREVER
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com...e-tv-antihero/
Gandolfini, who was best known for his role as mafia tough guy Virgil in True Romance, set the standard for the way antiheroes would work on TV moving forward. With every dastardly deed Tony committed on screen, Gandolfini offset his evil with a flawed sense of hopeful humanity that audiences could relate to. His performance, as villainous as it was empathetic, flipped the script on the small-screen formula of how dramas could work.
The Sopranos at 20: Flawed anti-heroes are now everywhere on TV, but they all began with James Gandolfini’s mobster
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-a8717111.htmlBrian Cranston himself actually said Walter White never would have existed without Tony Soprano.
Perhaps this debate is devolving....but.... One of the underlying themes of Breaking Bad was whether the drug business made Walter White into Heisenberg, or he really was Heisenberg living inside this supposed meek and defeated person, living a life of regret. Contrast Walter White's acceptance of the drug lord life to Jesse Pinkman.
Last edited by SW17LS; 07-16-20 at 12:56 PM.
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