2021 Ford Bronco and Bronco Sport
08-09-20, 07:56 PM
#406
Lexus Test Driver
Yes, plenty of mall crawlers will buy the Bronco. But there are also a lot of serious off-road guys who are excited for it as well. All they've had for the last 20 years has been the Wrangler. Finally they have an alternative.
People choosing to buy more vehicle than they need doesn't invalidate the use case for the vehicle by those who do use it for its intended purpose. I wish people were mature enough to accept that.
People choosing to buy more vehicle than they need doesn't invalidate the use case for the vehicle by those who do use it for its intended purpose. I wish people were mature enough to accept that.
08-09-20, 08:15 PM
#407
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
People choosing to buy more vehicle than they need doesn't invalidate the use case for the vehicle by those who do use it for its intended purpose. I wish people were mature enough to accept that.
But, with the Bronco, there may actually be a credible reason for buying or leasing one (or a similar BOF off-roader), even if you don't go off-road.....the deplorable Third-World surfaces that, due to deterioration, actually exist on some of our own paved roads. I'm not speaking about all the roads, of course...especially the ones that have been repaved recently. But many have been neglected for too long. And even repaved roads are often quickly torn up again by utility companies.
08-10-20, 05:08 AM
#408
Super Moderator
And Ford is being smart about it, and offering trims that cater to each group of buyers. The Outer Banks is targeted directly at the mall crawlers, with all of the luxo options and less of the offroad stuff. Badlands and Wildtrak are for those that want a turnkey rock-crawler or desert runner respectively, and then the bottom three are for people who want to build their own rig to varying degrees, or just want just some of the offroad goodies.
08-10-20, 05:49 AM
#409
Lexus Champion
I'll agree with at least part of that. Having a tough vehicle does not make one's personality tough....or necessarily make them a better driver. But there are also other reasons (not personality-related) for having a vehicle with tough underpinnings, even if it does not result in a comfortable ride. Our deteriorating roads and bridges, for one. Efforts are admittedly being made to get them repaved (or rebuilt), but too many of them look like the surface of the moon....particularly in the snow-prone Great Lakes region.
Let me ask you something. Since, in your video, you had the chance to see and evaluate the Bronco (and, despite our differences, I respect you and your opinions as a fellow CL member)...would you spend your own money on one?
Let me ask you something. Since, in your video, you had the chance to see and evaluate the Bronco (and, despite our differences, I respect you and your opinions as a fellow CL member)...would you spend your own money on one?
I look around my neighborhood and my area and see quite a number Jeeps. I rarely see a dirty one. It's ok to want a car because it's cool.
08-10-20, 05:55 AM
#410
08-10-20, 06:36 AM
#411
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
I look around my neighborhood and my area and see quite a number Jeeps. I rarely see a dirty one. It's ok to want a car because it's cool.
08-10-20, 07:43 AM
#412
Lexus Champion
Surveys have shown that an (arguably) higher percentage of Wrangler owners actually go off-road than with any other American-market SUV. Wrangler buyers are a different breed altogether from those of many other SUVs. How many of them are enticed to switch to Broncos remains to be seen.
But what's the % of Wranglers that go off road (meaning in areas where you actually need Jeep-type capabilities)? I think, unscientifically, it's less than a majority. Again, given the uniqueness of the Wrangler and the Bronco, it just adds to the "cool" factor.
08-11-20, 05:06 PM
#415
Lexus Fanatic
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08-11-20, 09:46 PM
#416
Lexus Test Driver
That covers a lot of different territory, though. First, the term "luxury vehicle" itself can be defined in a number of different ways. Second, people's perceived needs, actual needs (and wants) are often changing, so it can often be difficult to separate one from another. Third, what might be considered a"luxury" vehicle in a Third World country might be considered mere basic transportation here in the U.S.
2. Exactly my point. People need to stop assessing other peoples' needs from afar and criticizing or ridiculing them for their choices, even where their purchase is in excess of their needs. So what if Karen doesn't NEED a Jeep Wrangler to run errands? You don't need a Lexus LS500 to commute to work either. There's some sort of inconsistently applied logic under these critiques and mockeries that implies that you should never buy a car that doesn't match your exact needs and nothing more. For commuting to work that would be a no frills Honda Civic.
3. Third world countries are absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. Everybody in this discussion is in North America.
08-12-20, 12:28 AM
#417
Lexus Fanatic
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08-12-20, 08:48 AM
#418
Pole Position
this was very impressive.
08-13-20, 08:07 AM
#419
2022 Ford Bronco Hybrid Will Use A 3.0-Liter V6
Even though it’s been nearly a month since its reveal, there’s still palpable buzz around the upcoming Ford Bronco. Specifically, we’re seeing intense discussion and some visual indication of how the Blue Oval plans to take on the Jeep Wrangler. Not just in terms of off-road capability, but also in terms of future-proofing the brand as automakers aim to electrify their lineups.
The Jeep Wrangler has its 4xe plug-in hybrid variant coming, but what about the Bronco? Current Ford CEO Jim Hackett did discuss the company’s electrification plan, including rolling out more than a dozen battery-electric vehicles and hybrid-electric variants of its most popular models. The brand new Ford Bronco would hit both marks in expanding the hybrid portfolio and offering buyers a direct, tit for tat response to the Wrangler 4xe.
The Jeep Wrangler has its 4xe plug-in hybrid variant coming, but what about the Bronco? Current Ford CEO Jim Hackett did discuss the company’s electrification plan, including rolling out more than a dozen battery-electric vehicles and hybrid-electric variants of its most popular models. The brand new Ford Bronco would hit both marks in expanding the hybrid portfolio and offering buyers a direct, tit for tat response to the Wrangler 4xe.
[Photos: Ford]
Now, we have new information suggesting exactly how the Bronco Hybrid will take shape. Reports to date have suggested the body-on-frame SUV will borrow hybrid powertrain components from either the F-150 or Explorer Hybrid. According to our source, those earlier reports are broadly accurate.
We reached out to Ford for comment, and a company spokesperson replied that they do not comment on future product. That is typical for these sorts of stories, so we will have to wait and see whether time and Ford’s own development teams flesh out this information with an actual vehicle.
We reached out to Ford for comment, and a company spokesperson replied that they do not comment on future product. That is typical for these sorts of stories, so we will have to wait and see whether time and Ford’s own development teams flesh out this information with an actual vehicle.
Here’s how a Bronco Hybrid could work
Here’s how a Bronco Hybrid could work
As it stands, the Ford Bronco Hybrid will use the company’s new modular hybrid transmission. It’s the same 10-speed unit mated with an electric motor that Ford currently employs in the Explorer Hybrid as well as the Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring, and will use in the F-150 Hybrid. Note that this is a “modular” transmission, which means that the gasoline engine bolted to it could vary from vehicle to vehicle. That is the case with the Bronco Hybrid which is currently in development.
While the Explorer Hybrid uses a 3.3-liter V6 engine and the F-150 Hybrid uses a 3.5-liter powertrain, the Bronco Hybrid will reportedly go a different route. Our information suggests the SUV will use a 3.0-liter V6 engine. The twin-turbo EcoBoost unit currently sees service in the Ford Explorer ST and the Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring, with the latter seeing up to 494 horsepower. On its own, the engine produces 400 horsepower and 415 lb-ft of torque in both those cars.
Mind you, the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that’s currently in development manages 450 horsepower and 450 lb-ft of torque. We don’t have an idea how the plug-in hybrid Wrangler 4xe will manage yet, but a 400 horsepower V6 and 47 horsepower electric motor would put the Bronco Hybrid in the same ballpark for best-in-class power.
While the Explorer Hybrid uses a 3.3-liter V6 engine and the F-150 Hybrid uses a 3.5-liter powertrain, the Bronco Hybrid will reportedly go a different route. Our information suggests the SUV will use a 3.0-liter V6 engine. The twin-turbo EcoBoost unit currently sees service in the Ford Explorer ST and the Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring, with the latter seeing up to 494 horsepower. On its own, the engine produces 400 horsepower and 415 lb-ft of torque in both those cars.
Could a Bronco Hybrid make more than 450 horsepower?
To be clear, our source did not mention specific output, or any further figures beyond the engine’s displacement. We are not suggesting that the Bronco will have Aviator levels of power, based on the information w e currently have. Both the Explorer and F-150 Hybrid models use a 35-kW (47 horsepower) electric motor sandwiched into the 10-speed automatic transmission, and it’s likely the Ford Bronco Hybrid will do the same. The Explorer Hybrid manages 318 horsepower and 322 lb-ft of torque the way it’s configured, while we could expect a decent power bump from a more powerful engine.Mind you, the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that’s currently in development manages 450 horsepower and 450 lb-ft of torque. We don’t have an idea how the plug-in hybrid Wrangler 4xe will manage yet, but a 400 horsepower V6 and 47 horsepower electric motor would put the Bronco Hybrid in the same ballpark for best-in-class power.
There is currently one catch
There is currently one catch
Unfortunately, it may be awhile before we actually see a Ford Bronco Hybrid. Our source also stated that the model has been delayed. That’s hardly a surprising outcome given the current global situation and the explosive demand for the gasoline-powered Bronco. However, the electrified version may not see daylight until the 2022 model year. Before that, we may see Ford’s official unveiling in 2021.
Our source also disclosed more information on a Ford Maverick Hybrid pickup as well. Check out the video below and stay tuned to TFLtruck.com for more details.
Right now, the 2021 Ford Bronco is available to reserve with two gasoline engines. The lower trims have a 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder shared with the Ranger pickup, that produces 270 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque. A larger 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 is also available with 310 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque.
Our source also disclosed more information on a Ford Maverick Hybrid pickup as well. Check out the video below and stay tuned to TFLtruck.com for more details.
Right now, the 2021 Ford Bronco is available to reserve with two gasoline engines. The lower trims have a 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder shared with the Ranger pickup, that produces 270 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque. A larger 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 is also available with 310 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque.