2021 Ford Bronco and Bronco Sport
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Body on Frame has been confirmed for at least a year or two. These Baja vehicles, however, rarely share a ton in common with the production version.
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Since the Detroit Show has been moved up to June, that is simply too long to wait. They need to unveil it at either the L.A. Show late this month, D.C. in late January, Chicago in early February, or, at the very latest, New York in April, although even April, IMO, is later than necessary. Unless there are sound or credible reasons for delaying its unveiling or introduction (such as quality problems in the plant, like we see with the Explorer), then IMO it's time for Ford to p*** or get off the pot. ![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Who says it's still long before it's ready?
Those are your words, not mine. Ford has been working on this vehicle for at least three years (possibly more), given all the planning, preparation of the plant, plant-negotiations with the UAW, and vehicle-testing that were involved. So, no, what I said was not silly at all. And it's apparently ready enough for them to have a special Baja version of it. What's more important...the Baja race, or many thousands of public sales that are waiting?
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Who cares how long Ford has been working on it? That is not a measure of when the car is ready to be introduced. Car companies carefully choose when they are ready to introduce their vehicles. I think it's fair to assume that they choose the car show based on 2 main factors: (1) the importance of the show, and (2) if the car is nearly ready. It's pretty simple; if they think the car won't be ready until mid/late 2020, it just may not be ready for the '19 LA Show, even if some customers are antsy to see the actual car revealed. Rushing the car out for introduction is a much worse mistake than delaying to get it right.
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Who says it's still long before it's ready?
Those are your words, not mine. Ford has been working on this vehicle for at least three years (possibly more), given all the planning, preparation of the plant, plant-negotiations with the UAW, and vehicle-testing that were involved. So, no, what I said was not silly at all. And it's apparently ready enough for them to have a special Baja version of it. What's more important...the Baja race, or many thousands of public sales that are waiting?
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Maybe this new Bronco was slated for Mexican production and Ford has had to rethink that. I dunno.
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Nothing holding it back. Ford is dotting i's and crossing t's. Just because it borrows on the Ranger's platform doesn't mean it's easy. The Bronco will be a unique BOF SUV with excellent off-roading prowess. The fact they are entering the Bronco R prototype in the Baja 1000 means they are calibrating suspension and lessons learned that will translate into the production model. Ford has already announced a Spring unveiling, so folks need to hold tight nbd.
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if they think the car won't be ready until mid/late 2020, it just may not be ready for the '19 LA Show, even if some customers are antsy to see the actual car revealed. Rushing the car out for introduction is a much worse mistake than delaying to get it right.
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Ford has already announced a Spring unveiling, so folks need to hold tight nbd.
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First of all, The Baja is not a production version. Second, I never said (or implied) that it was. My point, though, was that if they had enough time to get that version ready (which will not make them much money), one would think that they haven't exactly been sitting on their rears being the bread-and-butter, money-making version ready. ![Wink](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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However, there are some cracks in my attraction to sedans....Lincoln has (almost) got me sold on the new Corsair, if it holds up reasonably well and avoids the Aviator QC problems.
But if I were a Ford designer, I'd want the consumer version as close to perfect before the camo comes off. I'm sure that higher execs are putting plenty of pressure on the product team to get it to market--but again, their a$$es are on the line too if they screw up the intro and roll out.
Patience young Padawan.
But, of course, none of us knows everything in this business.....the day we start to think we do, we become at risk for arrogance.
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I've never understood what a 25 year old murder chase/case has to do with the U725, other than cliche nostalgia over a shared nameplate. The lineage is OG Bronco, not the 70s cost-cutting experiment that the F-Series based vehicle was, retained with moderate improvements over a 19 year period (only 1 ground up redesign in September 1979). These would be more up that alley anyway.
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If not for Lord Alexander Trotman (Ford CEO) wanting a change in nameplate for the UN93 program from Bronco to "Expedition" (to echo Explorer) and canceling the 2-door prototype body in 1994, the above would have relevance. Today it just doesn't and keeps creating false rumor mills, to expect a full-size Bronco out of the U725.
Ford is not quite nostalgic about anything OJ, in fact quite the opposite, even if it had no bearing on the cancellation of the nameplate. This is hearkening back to pre-1977, as if the F-Series Bronco never existed. Day 1 1965 meets Bronco II (Ranger connection), but with better execution in engineering. That is corporate Ford intent, considering many in Dearborn cringe at the mention of OJ. Plainly bad press.
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Well, something along those lines...a rock monster
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Not quite. U725 shepherded the heavy revision of the existing T6 architecture derivative P375N (2018-2022), which itself formed from the Australian originated P375 global T6 Ranger launched in 2011 as a MY2012. The P375 and U375 Everest, do not have the capacity for a V configuration engine. Not to mention a few other issues, Dearborn had to fix or request to be done down under...
This required major (additional) changes under hood and much more, which will debut in a few months, appear in Winter 2021 on dealer lots, after production begins December 4, 2020 at Wayne Plant. The next generation P703 Ranger will benefit from the new U725 Broncos changes to T6, when it launches in roughly 24 months. This is a major reason why the USDM Ranger does not have a Ranger Raptor. P375N was not adapted for P375 Ranger Raptor modifications, so therefore it cannot be sold stateside.
The U725 design was final selection (FAA) about a year and half ago, shortly after the official March 2018 teaser. Design freeze (FDJ) was last autumn, so it was designed much long ago. It is ready, but being guarded heavily, just like the CX727 Mach E and Bronco CUV (CX430)
Who says it's still long before it's ready?
Those are your words, not mine. Ford has been working on this vehicle for at least three years (possibly more), given all the planning, preparation of the plant, plant-negotiations with the UAW, and vehicle-testing that were involved. So, no, what I said was not silly at all. And it's apparently ready enough for them to have a special Baja version of it. What's more important...the Baja race, or many thousands of public sales that are waiting?
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All his pet projects were put into motion (with a multi-billion dollar investment into Lincoln), as he took over in 2014. He got kicked because of allowing global products to get stale, and of course, WS/SH concerns, plus some other "issues".
Ironically it was Alan Mulally who first saw the MY2016 Taurus on stretched CD4 (Fusion) in late 2012, but cancelled the MY2016 Taurus redesign in 2013, after a spring 2013 consumer focus group clinics rejected the final design. Thus, Volvo-derived D3 Taurus (2009-19) was kept and new Taurus went to China for 2016.
2016 Lincoln MKS final look was approved in early 2013, staying the course and being renamed the 2017 Lincoln Continental (D544). This product was a crossing of executive eras. Between Lincoln's redheaded stepchild days of Mulally and Fields' priority ONE days, to restore it. Look at the newest Lincolns and you'll get it.
The Lincoln Continental is merely the new MKS, on CD4. It was not developed as a Continental. A new Town Car on Aviator's CD6 was in development for MY 2021, cancelled in 2017 by Hackett. As was a new MKZ, while the Fusion went to C2. You can see what happened now to sedans. I digress, back to Ford trucks.
I said last year (and early this year), that the P702 F-Series had just completed the design phase, as had the U725 Bronco program. Also mentioned in late December and early January 2019, P703 Ranger was in the process of final design selection. It fell on deaf ears in general, because what people cannot see, they just don't believe. And also, that their styling freezes were so recent, that they were not going to be shown at any 2018 dealer conferences. That the dealer body would privately see these vehicles in 2019, followed by the public in 2020.
Indeed I have been proven right once again, as by unauthorized P703 clay proposal photography leaking out from a clinic shortly after my commentary. U725 was teased as a shadow behind new C2-based compact Bronco (CX430), P702 F-150 was finally shown to dealers earlier this year and first units were built April 22 at pilot plant, ahead of MY 2021 launch.
Dealers in March, were shown the new U725 Bronco, which looks very similar to the R concept and a modern rendition, of the original late 1965 namesake. I have seen the vehicle quite a bit and other upcoming Fords obviously. Why? I won't get into it, but many have complained about it not being "spied" ad nauseam like the new P702 and it pretty much was a case of corporate, taking a page from Toyota (no sight of new product until WE decide it). They are coming into camo...
You think the Baja version is production ready? It's a mock-up for marketing purposes.
Who cares how long Ford has been working on it? That is not a measure of when the car is ready to be introduced. Car companies carefully choose when they are ready to introduce their vehicles. I think it's fair to assume that they choose the car show based on 2 main factors: (1) the importance of the show, and (2) if the car is nearly ready. It's pretty simple; if they think the car won't be ready until mid/late 2020, it just may not be ready for the '19 LA Show, even if some customers are antsy to see the actual car revealed. Rushing the car out for introduction is a much worse mistake than delaying to get it right.
Who cares how long Ford has been working on it? That is not a measure of when the car is ready to be introduced. Car companies carefully choose when they are ready to introduce their vehicles. I think it's fair to assume that they choose the car show based on 2 main factors: (1) the importance of the show, and (2) if the car is nearly ready. It's pretty simple; if they think the car won't be ready until mid/late 2020, it just may not be ready for the '19 LA Show, even if some customers are antsy to see the actual car revealed. Rushing the car out for introduction is a much worse mistake than delaying to get it right.
I see your point. There is definitely something holding back the Bronco. If it is supposedly built off the Ranger platform, then it should easier to put together. Taking this long seems to be at odds as the SUV market is hit right now. How long they have been working on it, I don’t know but if it was three years, then it should probably be released.
Maybe this new Bronco was slated for Mexican production and Ford has had to rethink that. I dunno.
Maybe this new Bronco was slated for Mexican production and Ford has had to rethink that. I dunno.
It has not been easy to put together like you are trying to claim. Genuine plans for a new Bronco date back 5 years. The final commitment to a true to its roots Bronco, was approved in 2016 with Job 1 launch date of July 2020. That fell behind a little, as major decisions started being made in 2018.
Not only did it require a totally new tophat, but also a practically all new T6. How new? Cannot discuss that.
Mexican production has never been a consideration so I don't know where that theory came from, unlike the case with the smaller C2-bases CX430 (Escape relation).
Nothing holding it back. Ford is dotting i's and crossing t's. Just because it borrows on the Ranger's platform doesn't mean it's easy. The Bronco will be a unique BOF SUV with excellent off-roading prowess. The fact they are entering the Bronco R prototype in the Baja 1000 means they are calibrating suspension and lessons learned that will translate into the production model. Ford has already announced a Spring unveiling, so folks need to hold tight nbd.
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Sorry, I don't agree with your logic. It's easy for Ford to slap a crude Bronco "body" on a baja vehicle, and use it for marketing purposes to get fans like yourself excited about the product. But if I were a Ford designer, I'd want the consumer version as close to perfect before the camo comes off. I'm sure that higher execs are putting plenty of pressure on the product team to get it to market--but again, their a$$es are on the line too if they screw up the intro and roll out.
Patience young Padawan.
Patience young Padawan.
These have to be done very well.
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Based on what you've told us, it sounds like the Bronco(and the next gen Ranger) will likely be offered with V6 ecoboosts and that the only reason the current gen Ranger doesn't have one is because it doesn't fit in the T6 derived chassis?
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