Toyota Kills All V8 Engine Development
08-13-20, 04:59 PM
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08-13-20, 05:04 PM
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08-13-20, 05:30 PM
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Lexus Champion
08-13-20, 05:32 PM
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08-13-20, 05:47 PM
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Matter of fact is that there aren't many young people who have the wealth to blow on these expensive V8 and more powerful cars brand new. And the reality of TTV8's is that most of them are in luxury cars, not hard-edged enthusiast sports cars.
Last edited by Motorola; 08-13-20 at 05:51 PM.
08-13-20, 05:57 PM
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Gasoline electric hybrids, plug-ins, and hydrogen fuel cell powered EV's is not genuine electrification.
08-13-20, 06:20 PM
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Lexus Test Driver
Makes no difference. 65 is a lot closer to 59 than 30.
Matter of fact is that there aren't many young people who have the wealth to blow on these expensive V8 and more powerful cars brand new. And the reality of TTV8's is that most of them are in luxury cars, not hard-edged enthusiast sports cars.
Matter of fact is that there aren't many young people who have the wealth to blow on these expensive V8 and more powerful cars brand new. And the reality of TTV8's is that most of them are in luxury cars, not hard-edged enthusiast sports cars.
08-13-20, 06:30 PM
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"Dinosaur technology" that makes me smile every time I push the start button. Have you tried watching Formula E? Not exactly exciting. It's like watching golf carts go around a track.
08-13-20, 06:40 PM
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Lexus Test Driver
Yeah...not the most exciting thing to watch. I agree that F1 is much more entertaining. With the regulatory bodies attacking ICEs, I'm not surprised Toyota is killing development.
08-13-20, 07:14 PM
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Lexus Test Driver
Disappointing but not at all surprising. Lexus has been pushing the elimination of the V8 so hard for basically the last 10 years, as anyone who has been on the Lexus Advisory Board knows.
Just to fully dispel this - it's actually old people, and specifically older Americans, who are more likely to want the V8s. This is clear from Lexus Advisory Board surveys.
This makes sense, since for a long period in America, V8s were the minimum to be considered luxury. But that perception - made before mainstream hybrids and EVs as well as prior to widespread turbocharging - is rooted in the past. The new generations feel differently.
I do agree that Lexus no longer cares at all about enthusiasts.
Just to fully dispel this - it's actually old people, and specifically older Americans, who are more likely to want the V8s. This is clear from Lexus Advisory Board surveys.
This makes sense, since for a long period in America, V8s were the minimum to be considered luxury. But that perception - made before mainstream hybrids and EVs as well as prior to widespread turbocharging - is rooted in the past. The new generations feel differently.
I do agree that Lexus no longer cares at all about enthusiasts.
Last edited by gengar; 08-13-20 at 08:04 PM.
08-13-20, 07:29 PM
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I can deal with the 6 cylinder but I will not buy another 4 cylinder engine again. IS200T was enough to deter me from any future iteration. Soon, I can see Lexus only offering 4 cylinders Hybrids and keep the 6 cylinder only for the very high tier cars ala LS/LX etc.
08-13-20, 08:32 PM
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Lexus Champion
And again to your earlier point, you said that you agree with Toyota Motors, yet Toyota has failed to offer a mainstream BEV so far. Just hybrids and white elephant HFCEV projects that really waste their money.
Toyota had a giant lead on everybody else when it came to electrification when they brought the mainstream hybrid Prius to market. Instead of developing the battery tech, they just.. I don't know.. stopped innovating. Along came Tesla to eat their lunch.
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08-13-20, 09:58 PM
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It has a flat spot down the bottom, and the engine makes a tiring burbling sound at low RPM.
However, I haven't been happy with the flat spot at small throttle openings in both BMW's in-line six twin turbo and Mercedes' Chrysler Pentastar based 60 degree V6 twin turbos either - before the turbos wind up to compression speed.
Just me only, but I still like atmos the most, and I will move from atmospheric directly into BEV's, with no turbos, nor gasoline electric hybrids, nor plug-ins, nor hydrogen fuel cell electric in between.
This point can be argued. I am by no means a fan of FCEVs... in fact, quite the opposite, I loathe them. But I steadfastly call an FCEV "electrified" because of the fact that it uses an electric motor as its sole means of motive power. To me, compared to a BEV it just has a different electric supply source in the fuel cell.
For example, a Lexus RX isn't really an SUV at all; RX is actually a CUV.
Likewise, classify Hydrogen Fuel Cell Powered Electric as you see fit; I won't argue with you.
The important point is that Toyota Motor Corp is sacrificing V8's to channel their money and manpower into battery powered electric vehicles.
And again to your earlier point, you said that you agree with Toyota Motors, yet Toyota has failed to offer a mainstream BEV so far. Just hybrids and white elephant HFCEV projects that really waste their money.
Toyota had a giant lead on everybody else when it came to electrification when they brought the mainstream hybrid Prius to market. Instead of developing the battery tech, they just.. I don't know.. stopped innovating. Along came Tesla to eat their lunch.
Toyota had a giant lead on everybody else when it came to electrification when they brought the mainstream hybrid Prius to market. Instead of developing the battery tech, they just.. I don't know.. stopped innovating. Along came Tesla to eat their lunch.
Furthermore, about 10 years ago, the Japanese had a dispute with the Chinese regarding ownership of the Sendaku islands in the East China Sea, and the Chinese withheld supply of rare earth metals to Japan, such that the Japanese had to not only invest in HFCEV technology, but the Japanese had to begin "decoupling" so that the Japanese are NOT heavily reliant on Chinese-sourced rare earth metals.
Sacrificing V8's will give Toyota Motor Corp both money and manpower to focus on Battery Powered Electric Vehicles BEVs.
