ES 250 is back for 2021! AWD, updated Hybrid, and Black Line Edition as well
10-23-20, 11:10 AM
#76
Lexus Fanatic
Not to get all up in your grill, or anything, but, if I needed AWD, I could live with the 4-banger, but, not sure I could live with the grill. If the grill is deal breaker, why not talk about it? We don't really know if the grill has hurt sales or not. Maybe they would have sold many more units with a reasonably styled grill.
Like it or not, big grilles are in, and the spindle grille is Lexus now. Complaining about it over and over for years on end does nothing. This is the second generation of the ES that has had the spindle grille, and this is a discussion of the new AWD version...not the long established spindle grille.
10-23-20, 12:00 PM
#77
Lexus Fanatic
Did I hear the guy say the new ES is virtually silent?.....then he says "very, very, very, very, very" well insulated? Among the quietest cars he has ever tested 
There is no sound...no wind noise...very very muted 
The goal of the I4 was to keep the cost under/at the V6 price as AWD is not an extra cost option above and beyond the V6 price points
Spindle grille is a hit and miss...but it is a personal choice as is with all exteriors...(I too wish some members would tone it down a little) as I get their point already.
PS...the 07 ES and 07 LS are hard to tell apart from a distance too.
There is no sound...no wind noise...very very muted The goal of the I4 was to keep the cost under/at the V6 price as AWD is not an extra cost option above and beyond the V6 price points
Spindle grille is a hit and miss...but it is a personal choice as is with all exteriors...(I too wish some members would tone it down a little) as I get their point already.
PS...the 07 ES and 07 LS are hard to tell apart from a distance too.
10-23-20, 01:28 PM
#78
Lexus Fanatic
BTW, for the record, I might (?) have stated an error in one of my earlier posts. When I talked about bringing back the 2.5L V6 for the AWD, I momentarily forgot and was maybe comparing apples and oranges....the IS250AWD, which used that small V6, is a longitudinal-engine layout, while the ES uses a transverse layout. The 2.5L V6 may or may not fit that transverse layout.
10-23-20, 01:37 PM
#79
Lexus Fanatic
I've said, many times, that I would pave preferred a Lacrosse with a conventional fore-aft shifter like the last version had, but that was not an option. That was one area where Lexus (so far) has been correct and Buick has not.
BTW, for the record, I might (?) have stated an error in one of my earlier posts. When I talked about bringing back the 2.5L V6 for the AWD, I momentarily forgot and was maybe comparing apples and oranges....the IS250AWD, which used that small V6, is a longitudinal-engine layout, while the ES uses a transverse layout. The 2.5L V6 may or may not fit that transverse layout.
BTW, for the record, I might (?) have stated an error in one of my earlier posts. When I talked about bringing back the 2.5L V6 for the AWD, I momentarily forgot and was maybe comparing apples and oranges....the IS250AWD, which used that small V6, is a longitudinal-engine layout, while the ES uses a transverse layout. The 2.5L V6 may or may not fit that transverse layout.
10-23-20, 01:50 PM
#80
Lexus Fanatic
10-23-20, 04:22 PM
#81
Lexus Fanatic
True, the V6 block is short, but one must also take into about the size of the transmission casing behind it.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
It is 2020. A 2.5 V6 defeats the whole purpose...there already is a V6....the I4 is about cost.
Mazda used a similar set-up, some years ago (I don't know if you remember it or not) on the small MX-3 sport-coupe...a tiny N/A 1.8L V6 that had very little torque, but was much smoother than the typical Mazda fours.
10-23-20, 05:02 PM
#82
Lexus Champion
Then buy something else. The grill has been around for 8 years, its beaten to death here on CL. Sales are up, not down.
Like it or not, big grilles are in, and the spindle grille is Lexus now. Complaining about it over and over for years on end does nothing. This is the second generation of the ES that has had the spindle grille, and this is a discussion of the new AWD version...not the long established spindle grille.
Like it or not, big grilles are in, and the spindle grille is Lexus now. Complaining about it over and over for years on end does nothing. This is the second generation of the ES that has had the spindle grille, and this is a discussion of the new AWD version...not the long established spindle grille.
10-23-20, 05:05 PM
#83
Lexus Fanatic
Not to get all up in your grill, or anything, but, if I needed AWD, I could live with the 4-banger, but, not sure I could live with the grill. If the grill is deal breaker, why not talk about it?
We don't really know if the grill has hurt sales or not. Maybe they would have sold many more units with a reasonably styled grill.
We don't really know if the grill has hurt sales or not. Maybe they would have sold many more units with a reasonably styled grill.
Good points, Wilson.
Agree on all counts.
10-23-20, 06:18 PM
#86
Lexus Fanatic
10-23-20, 06:19 PM
#87
Lexus Fanatic
10-23-20, 06:52 PM
#88
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Topic has been thrashed over and over in many other threads.
and this thread isn't about other brands killing their sedans either,
this es250 is a perfectly fine smooth luxury value sedan.
10-23-20, 09:41 PM
#89
Lexus Fanatic
So, if my credibility is shot at, most of the bullets missed.
