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It’s a ****. I just don’t see what’s difficult to live with about a ****.
You may not prefer it, I personally don’t care for the rotary **** but it’s not difficult to use or live with.
The idea behind the push/pull is to make sure you don’t select the wrong thing, which is easier to do on the Lincoln because they’re just small buttons next to each other that all select the same way.
Personally, I prefer a gearshift. I can however live with any of these easily.
Although I won't say they don't exist, I haven't read a single review of the new Acadia were the reviewer actually liked the push-pull buttons.
I'm not saying that others can't have a rotary-dial......each to his or her own, and it is subjective. I just find the ones I've seen awkward to use.
Yes, I know the idea is to try and free up space under the console, which is why they also went to E-parking- brakes. But that can easily be done with a conventional shift-lever, electronic linkage, and the traditional PRNDL fore-aft motion...IMO, they didn't have to re-invent the wheel with so many different new shifters an complex motions.
I certainly hope not. I hope automakers keep the traditional shift-levers as long as possible. I've only seen one alternative that I thought was relatively easy to live with......Lincoln's push-buttons.
i meant in this thread, as discussion had moved onto everything but shifters.
You turn the dial to the selected gear. I can see an argument for BMW shifters being awkward, how you shift forward to go into reverse, but not a simple dial.
I got used to it to some extent, but it never was a very good set-up. It was one of the few things on the vehicle I did not like...another was the requirement to go in and out of the video-screen for many A/C and vent-functions. Another was an occasional hiccup-flare in the transmission on some mid-range upshifts...possibly (?) from a less-than-perfect valve-body assembly.
only the fact that your lacrosse has a 'joystick' is relevant to the discussion.
i find the title of this thread flawed, because 'which' (of the baskin robbins number of varieties of) older ones are 'usually better'?
if all older shifters are better, why? If you say it's because they're simpler, which ones are simpler, and why?
we get that you like a straight line forward/backward mechanical shift lever, and that's you're perogative, but there's really nothing that makes it 'better' than several varieties of 'newer' ones. I think you just prefer it because that's probably what you've used more than any of the other kinds you've also owned.
Thats the issue. One has to be able to separate one's own preferences with what is "better".
I like a traditional shifter, and if not a traditional shifter, I like something on the console I can rest my hand on. Truly...I just like to rest my hand on something. I drive with my left hand and my right hand just doesn't have anything to do without a shifter. Poor lefty, he always gets forgotten lol
With that said, I don't think any of these shifters are really an issue. My wife loves her rotary shifter. I don't prefer that but I don't think its an issue for the safety or design of the car.
If you think about it, we have always had different shifters. You had column shifters. My dad's Lincoln had a column gated shifter where the shifter had a "zigzag" pattern on the column. My Explorer had a column shifter that just pivoted at one point. You had fore aft shifters, gated shifters, some had buttons, some didnt. Some had buttons turning off overdrive, some had a gear detent for turning off overdrive, some vehicles had dash mounted fore aft and gated shifters, Jags had J shifters. So, its not like every car has always had the same sort of shifter until now.
i find the title of this thread flawed, because 'which' (of the baskin robbins number of varieties of) older ones are 'usually better'?
Well, you can change the title if you disagree with it. I only ask that, if you do, you give a credible reason for doing so...and, though not unheard of, I very rarely contest a moderator's decision.
If you think about it, we have always had different shifters. You had column shifters. My dad's Lincoln had a column gated shifter where the shifter had a "zigzag" pattern on the column. My Explorer had a column shifter that just pivoted at one point. You had fore aft shifters, gated shifters, some had buttons, some didnt. Some had buttons turning off overdrive, some had a gear detent for turning off overdrive, some vehicles had dash mounted fore aft and gated shifters, Jags had J shifters. So, its not like every car has always had the same sort of shifter until now.
Hmm... sounds familiar, i posted this a few pages back
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
of course shifters have come in all shapes and sizes forever. Dials, buttons, column shifters, stalks, lever shifters, zig zag, manual and auto, overdrive buttons, paddles...
Older shifters were simpler, but not necessarily better. The simpler stuff wasn't exactly foolproof, by any means.
IMO, put simply, the best shifters are the ones you're familiar with. If you eliminate the preference and give yourself time to adjust to the new medium, you can approach the new application with some more objective metrics - how responsive the buttons are, do they feel "cheap" when you press them, how quickly does the transmission respond after pressing the button, etc. If I were a reviewer, that's how I would approach it, anyway. I'd leave the preference between fore-aft lever, rotary dial, buttons, or whatever up to what the reader might prefer.
IMO, put simply, the best shifters are the ones you're familiar with. If you eliminate the preference and give yourself time to adjust to the new medium, you can approach the new application with some more objective metrics - how responsive the buttons are, do they feel "cheap" when you press them, how quickly does the transmission respond after pressing the button, etc. If I were a reviewer, that's how I would approach it, anyway. I'd leave the preference between fore-aft lever, rotary dial, buttons, or whatever up to what the reader might prefer.
On a modern car with an electronically actuated shifter, the computer will almost certainly refuse to shift it into reverse, in order to protect the powertrain.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
you can't put a car in the wrong gear today and damage the transmission. Its all computer controlled. So, no action is necessary,
Yes, you can. This, from Page 248 of the Owner's Manual of the new 2020 Encore GX:
Caution
Shifting to R (Reverse) while the vehicle is moving forward could damage the transmission. The repairs would not be covered by the vehicle warranty. Shift to
09-08-20 | 05:43 PM
great post.