Porsche unveils updated 2021 Panamera
08-31-20, 02:47 PM
#76
Lexus Test Driver
08-31-20, 06:27 PM
#77
Lexus Test Driver
Please do some research on their website and also on history of the brand. Rennlist is a great forum for Porsche.
Passing local dealers and seeing no 911 on the lot means nothing if you understand more about 911 sales. Ppl that buy these cars are enthusiasts and would not be too happy their new sports car are collecting dust outside on the lot lol. The only ones I have seen outside are used ones.
BTW used 911 market is crazy.
08-31-20, 06:36 PM
#78
Lexus Fanatic
Again I think your knowledge of 911 model and how it drives everything Porsche does is a bit off.
Please do some research on their website and also on history of the brand. Rennlist is a great forum for Porsche.
Passing local dealers and seeing no 911 on the lot means nothing if you understand more about 911 sales. Ppl that buy these cars are enthusiasts and would not be too happy their new sports car are collecting dust outside on the lot lol. The only ones I have seen outside are used ones.
Please do some research on their website and also on history of the brand. Rennlist is a great forum for Porsche.
Passing local dealers and seeing no 911 on the lot means nothing if you understand more about 911 sales. Ppl that buy these cars are enthusiasts and would not be too happy their new sports car are collecting dust outside on the lot lol. The only ones I have seen outside are used ones.
08-31-20, 06:59 PM
#79
Lexus Test Driver
If what you were saying was true about brand perception than used 911s would not have strong demand. Instead they are more desirable than ever. Even the 996 values are picking up a bit for certain models. I think 911 line is stronger now than ever with more model variants and continued performance records being set. If anything 911 provenance is greater now than ever.
08-31-20, 07:09 PM
#80
Lexus Fanatic
Most people will never buy a 911 nor could they ever buy a 911. Public perception of people on the street and what actual enthusiasts who might buy the car think are totally different things. Look above what my wife’s answer was, and the other poster who asked his wife what her answer was
08-31-20, 07:23 PM
#81
Lexus Fanatic
The short answer (if it doesn't sound too much like what you just said), is that most people, even sports-car enthusiasts, simply don't have the kind of disposable cash needed to purchase a new 911. Even the base 911 Carrera starts at almost 100K. They might be able to swing a 911 lease, but even that could be pushing it. And when you look at the components/materials that go into the construction of a 911, and the way those components are assembled, it is not hard to figure out why it costs six-figures....and why Porsche is generally the most reliable German nameplate.
08-31-20, 08:48 PM
#82
Lexus Test Driver
Most people will never buy a 911 nor could they ever buy a 911. Public perception of people on the street and what actual enthusiasts who might buy the car think are totally different things. Look above what my wife’s answer was, and the other poster who asked his wife what her answer was
I’m confident your wife would not know the difference between a Cayenne or Mazda CX9 if she saw them from the back without a badge. She would be able to tell a 911 from a mile away.
09-01-20, 08:44 AM
#83
When I think of Porsche I think of the 911. It’s basic shape has stayed the same for decades and is iconic whether you like it or not. Their performance is excellent and it’s a great total package for a sports car that can be daily driven. I would love to own one some day but I’m not ready to spend the $$ for the models that I like just yet.
I see way more Cayennes around here than any other Porsche. But it's kind of rare to see a Macan. More 911s & 718/Caymans than Macans unless it's that Macans might blend in more and I'm just not noticing them as opposed to my immediate recognition of a 911 or 718.
09-01-20, 01:44 PM
#84
Lexus Fanatic
So now we are basing public perception on the wives of 2 people and you not seeing a bunch of 911s sitting outside on a Porsche dealer lot.
I’m confident your wife would not know the difference between a Cayenne or Mazda CX9 if she saw them from the back without a badge. She would be able to tell a 911 from a mile away.
I’m confident your wife would not know the difference between a Cayenne or Mazda CX9 if she saw them from the back without a badge. She would be able to tell a 911 from a mile away.
As for not being able to tell the difference between a Cayenne or a Mazda CX9 from the back without a badge, most people wouldn't be able to...that was the whole point.
09-02-20, 08:09 AM
#85
Lexus Test Driver
09-02-20, 12:03 PM
#86
Lexus Fanatic
Yes that is the point that 911 is instantly recognized as a Porsche just by its silhouette without having to see any badges. My 3yr old spots them right away because the shape is so distinctive and unlike any other car. The SUVs all use the 911 styling cues especially noticeable from the front end design.
09-02-20, 12:46 PM
#87
Nothing Ugly about this to me. I see quite a few around Denver and always a few on the lot when I drive by, especially nice you can get them with AWD so actually very practical in the winter.
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09-02-20, 06:22 PM
#88
Lexus Test Driver
Ok well I guess I misunderstood all your posts about how Porsche is no longer known for 911 but its SUVs which is not supported by % of current Porsche sales that come from 911 and the profits they generate.
I know your not into sports cars but your knowledge of Porsche brand and especially what 911 model represents seems to be limited. 😎
I know your not into sports cars but your knowledge of Porsche brand and especially what 911 model represents seems to be limited. 😎
09-02-20, 07:52 PM
#89
Lexus Fanatic
The 911 is actually one of my favorite cars.
Doesn’t change my concept that to the general public the 911 doesn’t represent Porsche today like the SUVs do which people see everywhere. That has nothing to do with how many 911s are sold or how great a car the 911 is. Obviously to people who buy a 911 the 911 represents Porsche to them.
I think if you polled people on the street about what car they think of when they think of Porsche more people would respond like my wife than you think
Doesn’t change my concept that to the general public the 911 doesn’t represent Porsche today like the SUVs do which people see everywhere. That has nothing to do with how many 911s are sold or how great a car the 911 is. Obviously to people who buy a 911 the 911 represents Porsche to them.
I think if you polled people on the street about what car they think of when they think of Porsche more people would respond like my wife than you think
09-04-20, 09:03 AM
#90
Lexus Test Driver
Well I completely disagree as i have said.
I polled my wife and my 3yr old son who can identify a 911 as a Porsche a mile away.
The SUVs dominance has been only a few years while 911 has been the centerpiece for over 50years. I actually see about same amount of 911s as Porsche SUVs when you count the older 911 models from 996, 997 generation. They are everywhere.
I polled my wife and my 3yr old son who can identify a 911 as a Porsche a mile away.
The SUVs dominance has been only a few years while 911 has been the centerpiece for over 50years. I actually see about same amount of 911s as Porsche SUVs when you count the older 911 models from 996, 997 generation. They are everywhere.