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Old 08-26-20, 07:51 AM
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Default Porsche unveils updated 2021 Panamera






The highlight of the '21 Panamera is an overhauled V8 engine. Porsche says it made revisions to the crankshaft, connecting rods, valvetrain and injection system and reduced the 4.0-liter, twin-turbocharged power plant's compression ratio. The result? It now makes 620 horsepower and 604 pound-feet of torque in the new Panamera Turbo S lineup, which replaces the standard Panamera Turbo models outright.
That's a jump of 70 hp and 37 lb-ft over the old specifications, and Porsche says the new Turbo S sedan and Sport Turismo model will crack off a 0-60 run in just 2.9 seconds with launch control, which is a full half-second quicker than the outgoing Turbo; the long-wheelbase Turbo S Executive model needs another tenth of a second — so disappointing.

Porsche continues the power bump theme pretty much down the lineup. The GTS model gets a 20-horse bump over the 2020, and Porsche says the throttle response was tuned to be a bit more linear to make it respond similarly to a naturally aspirated engine. The E-Hybrid lineup picks up a new, 552-horsepower 4S model, which can do 0-60 (and save the planet) in 3.5 seconds. The only exception we can see to this pattern is the base Panamera, which is now powered by Porsche's 2.9-liter, twin-turbo V6, which makes just 325 hp — down 5 hp from the old 3.0-liter unit.

Porsche also boosted the battery capacity of its entire PHEV lineup for the 2021 model year by 27% and made enhancements to their powertrain calibrations to improve both performance and efficiency, however the company did not elaborate on the gains in either department.

Stylistically, the Panamera's SportDesign fascia has become the standard look for 2021, though the full SportDesign package (with or without carbon fiber accents) is still available for those who want to really stand out. In the rear, the LED strip now extends the full width of the car, and the lower bumper covers have received some attention as well. Inside, the highlight is a new, somewhat slimmed down steering wheel design.

Porsche says the 2021 Panamera will arrive next spring, and customers should expect to place orders earlier in 2021, when pricing and full specifications will be announced.
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Nice mid cycle refresh.
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What a fabulous sports sedan.
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Nothing on revised suspension, steering ECU/feel, anything? The weakness of the Panamera has always been driver feedback, not power. It's never been a very Porsche-like Porsche.

While the mention of linear feel in engine response is promising, this is something that has always been overstated in marketing and by the press with respect to turbo engines (e.g., Ferrari) - and something that's always been more excusable in a modern, heavy car. The driving experience in terms of feel and feedback, much less so.
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I'm surprised they didn't use the electric razor shaped shifter from the 911



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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
This looks dated. I have always liked these vehicles however.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
This looks dated. I have always liked these vehicles however.
I think this generation of Panamera will age much better than the last one with its odd proportions.

Also, this is a very subtle refresh. I couldn't have told you it was different without the headline.

The used-car dealer where I got my GTI has a pre-refresh Panamera on the lot... Curious if they'll let me drive it.
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Originally Posted by arentz07
I think this generation of Panamera will age much better than the last one with its odd proportions.

Also, this is a very subtle refresh. I couldn't have told you it was different without the headline.

The used-car dealer where I got my GTI has a pre-refresh Panamera on the lot... Curious if they'll let me drive it.
I couldn’t tell you any of the differences. I do think the white car in the pics look great. Just not the wagon.
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Isn't it interesting that when the Panamera and the Cayenne came out, we were shocked Porsche would make such vehicles and now, when you think of Porsche, this is what you think of and the 911 and and 718 are ancillary...
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Isn't it interesting that when the Panamera and the Cayenne came out, we were shocked Porsche would make such vehicles and now, when you think of Porsche, this is what you think of and the 911 and and 718 are ancillary...
All i hear in the press and online / Youtube is the 911 and 718 variants. I see whispers of Cayenne and Panamera reviews. Taycan gets more press now than those two. Also, I see far more 911 and 718s where I live vs. the Panameras and Cayennes. I do see a lot of Macans though
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Isn't it interesting that when the Panamera and the Cayenne came out, we were shocked Porsche would make such vehicles and now, when you think of Porsche, this is what you think of and the 911 and and 718 are ancillary...
the more practical porsches saved the company from bankruptcy. Cant survive purely on sportscars. Friend said when you go to the porsche service bay, its filled with Cayennes
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I see WAY WAY more Cayennes and Macans than I see any other Porsche on the road.
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Porsche should make a pickup and call it the Pornomera.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Isn't it interesting that when the Panamera and the Cayenne came out, we were shocked Porsche would make such vehicles and now, when you think of Porsche, this is what you think of and the 911 and and 718 are ancillary...
911 still dominates the brand and is by far the best selling sports car in its segment ($100k +)
The only reason that the Macan, Cayenne etc sell for such a premium vs BMW, MB is they resemble the 911 and ppl want that Porsche allure.

The Panamera refresh is great especially the extra power for the Turbo. SportTurismo is the perfect family car. 👍
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
911 still dominates the brand and is by far the best selling sports car in its segment ($100k +)
The only reason that the Macan, Cayenne etc sell for such a premium vs BMW, MB is they resemble the 911 and ppl want that Porsche allure.

The Panamera refresh is great especially the extra power for the Turbo. SportTurismo is the perfect family car. 👍
Maybe it dominates the brand's image, but the Macan and Cayenne are the ones I actually see on the road. I actually just saw a Panamera Sport Turismo for the very first time in the flesh a couple days ago. It's been out for a couple years now.

I've made no secret, however, that I think the Macan deserves the sales. It's excellent! If all CUVs drove like that, no one would protest their dominance.
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