Please Help With Car Buying Decision - Used 2017 or New 2021 Lexus???
09-18-20, 01:03 PM
#106
Pole Position
I bought mine for sound engineering and in this area they have failed. The infotainment portion is not the point here it is a system that no longer works which includes safety features.
These are the features that will no long work Period! That I care about:Your 2017 Lexus IS 350 offers available Lexus Enform services that rely on access to 3G wireless networks.
As of October 31, 2022, at 11:59PM CST, the following available Lexus Enform subscription services will be terminated:
• Lexus Enform Safety Connect®1 including Automatic Collision Notification, Enhanced Roadside Assistance, Emergency Assistance Button and Stolen Vehicle Locator.
• Lexus Enform Remote2 including Remote Engine Start/Stop, Door Lock/Unlock, Vehicle Finder, Guest Driver Monitor, Vehicle Status and Alerts, Key Fob Remote Start, and Integration with Alexa® and The Google Assistant.
• Lexus Enform Destination Assist3 including 24-hour live response center agents.
• Lexus Enform Service Connect4 including Vehicle Health Report, Vehicle Alerts and Maintenance Alerts.
These are the features that will no long work Period! That I care about:Your 2017 Lexus IS 350 offers available Lexus Enform services that rely on access to 3G wireless networks.
As of October 31, 2022, at 11:59PM CST, the following available Lexus Enform subscription services will be terminated:
• Lexus Enform Safety Connect®1 including Automatic Collision Notification, Enhanced Roadside Assistance, Emergency Assistance Button and Stolen Vehicle Locator.
• Lexus Enform Remote2 including Remote Engine Start/Stop, Door Lock/Unlock, Vehicle Finder, Guest Driver Monitor, Vehicle Status and Alerts, Key Fob Remote Start, and Integration with Alexa® and The Google Assistant.
• Lexus Enform Destination Assist3 including 24-hour live response center agents.
• Lexus Enform Service Connect4 including Vehicle Health Report, Vehicle Alerts and Maintenance Alerts.
09-18-20, 02:42 PM
#107
Lexus Fanatic
MB started using 4G in MY2017 on most new models.
Genesis was 3G till 2017 and started to use 4G in 2018,
Apparently Hyundai has a $500 activation fee for Blue Link if it is expired for one-full calendar year.
GM used to replace the OnStar for a free ONLY if it was still under warranty.
Never knew there were these limitations to telematics. So interesting
Genesis was 3G till 2017 and started to use 4G in 2018,
Apparently Hyundai has a $500 activation fee for Blue Link if it is expired for one-full calendar year.
GM used to replace the OnStar for a free ONLY if it was still under warranty.
Never knew there were these limitations to telematics. So interesting
09-18-20, 02:51 PM
#108
Lexus Fanatic
Lets put it this way, back in 1998 my dad paid $3,000 (thats $4,700 today) for a Lexus built in cell phone in the LS400 that was totally worthless in 3 years because it was analog. Technology moves forwards quickly, and thats the downside to having technology like this built into a car.
09-18-20, 02:53 PM
#109
Lexus Champion
I do understand the frustration at losing the ability to use those features. I'd be disappointed too, but that is the way technology goes.
But I do think the impact to used car values as a result of this is vastly overstated. I doubt it'll make much, if any, difference.
But I do think the impact to used car values as a result of this is vastly overstated. I doubt it'll make much, if any, difference.
09-18-20, 02:54 PM
#110
Lexus Fanatic
Most owners don't pay the $20 a month all these features cost past the trial.
09-18-20, 07:05 PM
#112
Lexus Test Driver
When I posted the first time re: Audi, I did a brief perusal of their website press releases - there were a bunch for MY2016, but definitely some that didn't mention it until MY2017. Don't know if there were any models left after that.
Hard to say. T-Mobile hasn't even confirmed their 2G sunset and that is 90s tech! I don't do Apple but I don't even believe there is a 5G capable iPhone yet?
Hard to say. T-Mobile hasn't even confirmed their 2G sunset and that is 90s tech! I don't do Apple but I don't even believe there is a 5G capable iPhone yet?
09-18-20, 07:18 PM
#113
Lexus Fanatic
So Lexus/Toyota is not really “that” far behind. I think the first Toyota with 4G is the Prius in 2018. Lexus LS would have been 2018...
09-19-20, 08:41 AM
#115
Lexus Champion
09-19-20, 09:09 AM
#118
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by gengar
When I posted the first time re: Audi, I did a brief perusal of their website press releases - there were a bunch for MY2016, but definitely some that didn't mention it until MY2017. Don't know if there were any models left after that.Hard to say. T-Mobile hasn't even confirmed their 2G sunset and that is 90s tech! I don't do Apple but I don't even believe there is a 5G capable iPhone yet?
09-19-20, 02:10 PM
#119
Super Moderator
The revenue stream. An 18-month subscription to Audi Connect, for example, costs $499. The full Lexus Enform suite costs $24/mo or $240/year.
09-19-20, 02:16 PM
#120
Lexus Test Driver
This isn't accurate at all. The whole point of 5G is that it's going to use high-band spectrum, which isn't used by 3G/4G at all (hence all the FCC spectrum auctions that will be ongoing for the next few years). 5G will use mid-band and low-band only for coverage, and existing infrastructure can handle both LTE and 5G (including some systems that do this by default, e.g., Ericsson). It's unlikely LTE will sunset during this decade, much less in 5 years.