How does the arbitrary date work exactly? Why that date? Did they consult experts, run the numbers and conclude that was a realistic target?

 

Just a quick correction on California electric rates. We discussed this in another thread

We have a tiered system with our provider. The lower advertised rates are tier 1 and provide enough electricity to keep a fridge running, maybe a microwave, couple light bulbs... Once you hit tier 2 (which everyone does) we're paying over 40 cents per kwh. It is NOT that cheap to charge a car here. Depending on how much you drive, charging could push you into tier 3 which are ridiculous rates.

 

Thats interesting. If you live in So-cal, you are getting the EV-TOU rates and they average around 11 cents per kwh at super-off peak and it doesn't matter how much you use. Which provider do you have...must be a smaller city.

 

Nope... we're having rolling blackouts because the power grid can't handle people using their air conditioners in the heat. CA can't keep the lights on, literally.

I'm in the Central Valley, medium sized city, and SCE (Southern California Edison) is our provider.

I looked up my electric bill just to verify. Our tier 1 rates are 21 cents per kwh and it varies by month how much electricity you get in tier 1. In July we got 726kwh in tier 1, but in August we got 638 kwh. To be fair, I found it does vary by area and we are among the highest. It gets hotter than two hamsters farting in a wool sock here and they charge us more because we use more electricity to run the AC. It's really awesome of them, raise the rates in the areas that need it most Additionally, our rates have increased by 15-17% each year for the last two years. I didn't go back any further, but I actually checked the last 3 years recently. Our bill was nearly $500 in July so I compared July 2019 and July 2018 with July 2020... 15-17% increase each year. I think I calculated it at 32.x% higher now compared to two years ago.

I actually really want to try out a Tesla, but the charging is too crazy here. I'd have to plug it in when I get home from work in the evening, unless I installed a 400V (or 300V, whatever it is) charger in my home that could quickly charge during the super-off peak hours. Otherwise it would be plugged into 110V and have to slowly charge during peak hours...

A lot of people have been getting solar panels here to help offset electric costs. They do help! But we're not sticking around here much longer so there is no point to buy panels. We will never see a return before we sell the house.

 

I believe a plug in hybrid qualifies for a zero emission vehicle under their regulations

 

LOL nope, not going to Texas. Or Idaho for that matter, a lot of CA is moving there too.

I know many, MANY states hate Californians, but we're not all bad. I'm a conservative, gun toting, horsepower loving, God fearing American that won't bring "California" anywhere! My family doesn't agree with much happening here. We won't be voting it in anywhere else.

 

They do not. The best a PHEV can do is LEV III. Just go to the CARB website.

E.g., from https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/doc...del-years-2018

 

I always have a smile on my face when I drive in the carpool lane here in Orange County in my twin turbo V12 merc lol

 

can he really do this with merely an executive order

 

Many posts that are largely political, off-topic, or just rants have been deleted.

let's focus on the topic, thank you.

 

This is what I was looking at. Maybe I have misinterpreted






https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/what-zev

 

I don't see how, but perhaps CA law has some such provision. We'll get the answer in the litigation that's sure to come.

 

Didn't CA already change the auto industry by being on the forefront with "CA Emissions" which is now the national standard?

 

its only standard because it would be too expensive to develop two models of a car, not that it was innovative

 

Taking politics and CA bashing off the table, and taking for now the obvious fact that Executive Orders (at both state and federal level) are essentially transient and are absolutely no substitute for actual state or federal legislation, the goal is a worthy one IMO.

Electric cars are the future. They deliver better performance, are quieter, and are powered by an energy source which is orders of magnitude less finite than oil and gas.

Better to aim for a high bar than a low one IMO. Lofty goals drive innovation.

Whatever things end up looking like in 2035, chances are that what we can buy, be it ICE or electric, will be a lot more efficient and a lot more sustainable than what we have today.