California Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars In The State By 2035
#76
I guess that's another issue with California... to one part of the state a million dollar home is nothing and $50k is pretty cheap. To the other part it is all unobtainable.
Someone will have to pay for the green initiatives coming. ...as everything turns to electric battery cars, where do the batteries get recycled...who pays for that? I am not sure where it stands but some governments are proposing consumers install/upgrade to electric furnaces. Gas has been the most cost effective way to fuel for 100+ years...as everyone plugs-in, the cost of electricity goes up...road taxes need to be collected...it goes on and on...I fully believe the cost/taxes etc of a green car will end up costing more than a gas car at some point
Both sides have their benefits and drawbacks. It's hard to prove one way or the other is better. There is data to support every opinion out there, and all of it contradicts other data. Electric does seem to be the future for certain demographics, like CA where it is summer for 10 months out of the year... but for states with 4 seasons and less sunlight there has to be a backup. Maybe that will be batteries one day, who knows. For now, it seems investing in other clean energy like natural gas with carbon capture or nuclear power would be smart.
#77
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
Last edited by RXSF; 09-26-20 at 05:23 PM.
#78
My friend just installed a Tesla system with battery storage, and his net cost was 30K. He said that prior to it, his electricity bill was $500. Im assuming thats during the summer with AC. But he is completely off the grid now, and charges both of his electric plug ins. So lets just all it savings of $500 a month (even though we havent even included his gas savings). In a year, that is 6K so he makes it all back in 5 years. That is a really good return.
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
#79
A lot of folks are talking about the cost to switch to EVs, but it's a moot point. The direction CA and Newsom are taking is simply a symbolic statement, hoping to wake up those in the country, including the president, who are asleep at the wheel when it comes to climate change. CA/Newsom's statement is...We need to do something/anything to reverse the course of climate change, regardless of its cause. Many scientists fear it is already too late, so maybe, in reality, it's only a call to slow down the rate of our species' extension. Unfortunately, many people (some with good cause) only care about their own lot, in their own lifetime, and will not be on-board with this. The fate of our species is the last thing on their minds.
#80
A lot of folks are talking about the cost to switch to EVs, but it's a moot point. The direction CA and Newsom are taking is simply a symbolic statement, hoping to wake up those in the country, including the president, who are asleep at the wheel when it comes to climate change. CA/Newsom's statement is...We need to do something/anything to reverse the course of climate change, regardless of its cause. Many scientists fear it is already too late, so maybe, in reality, it's only a call to slow down the rate of our species' extension. Unfortunately, many people (some with good cause) only care about their own lot, in their own lifetime, and will not be on-board with this. The fate of our species is the last thing on their minds.
#82
Part of the climate-argument is that water temperatures are rising too, which, together with some other factors, is increasing the frequency and strength of storms. There seems to be at least some truth to this, but it is being exaggerated.
#83
My friend just installed a Tesla system with battery storage, and his net cost was 30K. He said that prior to it, his electricity bill was $500. Im assuming thats during the summer with AC. But he is completely off the grid now, and charges both of his electric plug ins. So lets just all it savings of $500 a month (even though we havent even included his gas savings). In a year, that is 6K so he makes it all back in 5 years. That is a really good return.
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
#84
^^ the whole set up, panels and battery. Im pretty sure the Fed tax incentive and the generous Cali rebate makes it worth considering.
#85
A lot of folks are talking about the cost to switch to EVs, but it's a moot point. The direction CA and Newsom are taking is simply a symbolic statement, hoping to wake up those in the country, including the president, who are asleep at the wheel when it comes to climate change. CA/Newsom's statement is...We need to do something/anything to reverse the course of climate change, regardless of its cause. Many scientists fear it is already too late, so maybe, in reality, it's only a call to slow down the rate of our species' extension. Unfortunately, many people (some with good cause) only care about their own lot, in their own lifetime, and will not be on-board with this. The fate of our species is the last thing on their minds.
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#87
I hope I'm not coming across and argumentative against solar. If we were staying here we would definitely be investing in solar, even with the 15 year repayment plan. We own our home so it would have been easy too. The saved electric bill would have went directly to the solar payment and had little extra money out of pocket. Plus I wouldn't feel guilty about turning the AC down even further when I'm hot. I'd probably run the house a few degrees cooler and wear sweats in the summer just because I could lol.
#88
Thats not accurate. EVs in the luxury segment are already comparable. A base 3 series cost $50k with decent options. A comparable Model 3 is cheaper than that with almost no maintenance cost. BTW, if you live in California, gas is 3-4x higher than the cost of electricity on a per mile basis. California rates are typically 11 cents per kwh which equates to about $500 if you drive 15000 miles. Assuming a comparable BMW gets around 25mpg, you are look at $2000 if gas is around $3.50 per gallon. Not to mention a $50k Tesla would run rings around a $50k BMW.
#89
Originally Posted by Striker223
A model three isn't a luxury car, it's worse than a Camry inside.
#90
This is setting a hard deadline (at least ideologically) and validation for everyone involved with the electric vehicle space and infrastructure. However its going to come at a significant cost if EVs dont get cheaper upfront both new and used and infrastructure is as well equipped and easy to use as say a gas station (plenty of docks to recharge, charging times decrease and battery density increases).
I wonder though how many times this will be pushed back...cars are one thing, you have trucks, buses, and other equipment that needs to be electrified before
I wonder though how many times this will be pushed back...cars are one thing, you have trucks, buses, and other equipment that needs to be electrified before