California Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars In The State By 2035
09-27-20, 11:51 AM
#91
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 12,055
Likes: 0
Received 74 Likes
on
45 Posts
6 year recovery isn't bad, but a $500 monthly payment accelerates that significantly. That's a hefty electric bill! Our highest bill is usually July. Depending on how bad the summer is, we usually have 3-4 bills in the $300-$400 range, and the rest are ~$100. In the winter it goes down to like $50 a month. The rate increases have been boning us, though, our high July bill si getting closer to $500 now (same usage). At a more reasonable $2000 a year it's a 15 year repayment plan. $6000 a year in utilities is quite expensive! My parents don't even pay $6000 a year and they keep their ~4000 sq. ft. home at 70 degrees all summer long lol.
I hope I'm not coming across and argumentative against solar. If we were staying here we would definitely be investing in solar, even with the 15 year repayment plan. We own our home so it would have been easy too. The saved electric bill would have went directly to the solar payment and had little extra money out of pocket. Plus I wouldn't feel guilty about turning the AC down even further when I'm hot. I'd probably run the house a few degrees cooler and wear sweats in the summer just because I could lol.
I hope I'm not coming across and argumentative against solar. If we were staying here we would definitely be investing in solar, even with the 15 year repayment plan. We own our home so it would have been easy too. The saved electric bill would have went directly to the solar payment and had little extra money out of pocket. Plus I wouldn't feel guilty about turning the AC down even further when I'm hot. I'd probably run the house a few degrees cooler and wear sweats in the summer just because I could lol.
09-27-20, 04:35 PM
#93
Lexus Test Driver
My friend just installed a Tesla system with battery storage, and his net cost was 30K. He said that prior to it, his electricity bill was $500. Im assuming thats during the summer with AC. But he is completely off the grid now, and charges both of his electric plug ins. So lets just all it savings of $500 a month (even though we havent even included his gas savings). In a year, that is 6K so he makes it all back in 5 years. That is a really good return.
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
Of course this pricing is only available with rebates im sure that are higher in CA than in other states
Gas saving is irrelevant for the calculation too since he'd get those savings regardless of the battery system.
It's also just horrid for society if rebates or tax breaks/credits are what drives the economic decision here.
Last edited by gengar; 09-27-20 at 04:39 PM.
09-27-20, 04:47 PM
#94
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by gengar
Don't forget the batteries will have to be replaced at some point, so it's not like the savings is just for the rest of time. The warranty is really poor even for say, Powerwall 2, if cycling every day.
Gas saving is irrelevant for the calculation too since he'd get those savings regardless of the battery system.
It's also just horrid for society if rebates or tax breaks/credits are what drives the economic decision here.
Gas saving is irrelevant for the calculation too since he'd get those savings regardless of the battery system.
It's also just horrid for society if rebates or tax breaks/credits are what drives the economic decision here.
09-27-20, 05:17 PM
#96
Lexus Fanatic
It's very possible... I just hope it's not the taxpayer that has to pay for it all. Let the market develop naturally, like it already is with every major manufacturer developing electric vehicles. When pricing, range, and charging support are there, people will buy them more. I think those three issues are what stop most from making the switch. The important part here is that it doesn't require a Governor MAKING us do it by executive order.
Both sides have their benefits and drawbacks. It's hard to prove one way or the other is better. There is data to support every opinion out there, and all of it contradicts other data. Electric does seem to be the future for certain demographics, like CA where it is summer for 10 months out of the year... but for states with 4 seasons and less sunlight there has to be a backup. Maybe that will be batteries one day, who knows. For now, it seems investing in other clean energy like natural gas with carbon capture or nuclear power would be smart.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 09-27-20 at 05:23 PM.
09-27-20, 06:28 PM
#97
Lexus Fanatic
While I do like the Tesla 3...and the design is pretty cool...a Camry or even a new top level spec Corolla Hatch is better inside. Tesla 3 do go really really fast...but they are not built well from what I gather,,,but they are quite the fashion statement
09-27-20, 08:30 PM
#98
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Ok folks, no more discussion about climate change, solar system pros/cons (that could be discussed in clubhouse)... let's stay on topic...
will california be able to meet the 2035 deadline do you think?
what will happen to ice cars at that time? Will they become more valuable on the used market?
will california just give a tesla or other ev to everyone who can't afford one anyway?
will california be able to meet the 2035 deadline do you think?
what will happen to ice cars at that time? Will they become more valuable on the used market?
will california just give a tesla or other ev to everyone who can't afford one anyway?
09-27-20, 08:35 PM
#99
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Ok folks, no more discussion about climate change, solar system pros/cons (that could be discussed in clubhouse)... let's stay on topic...
will california be able to meet the 2035 deadline do you think?
what will happen to ice cars at that time? Will they become more valuable on the used market?
will california just give a tesla or other ev to everyone who can't afford one anyway?
will california be able to meet the 2035 deadline do you think?
what will happen to ice cars at that time? Will they become more valuable on the used market?
will california just give a tesla or other ev to everyone who can't afford one anyway?
09-28-20, 09:06 AM
#100
Pole Position
Yes, when there is a will there is a way! The devil is in the details, and there are oh-so-many to work out, but without setting a goal like this, it couldn't happen otherwise. That's how JFK got us to the moon in decade...by declaring the goal!
Probably not. Like all vehicles, the good ones will retain value and some will become collectible, but long term, most are destine for the junk yard.
No, there will be no free EV's. Same as with ICE's, if one can't afford a new or used vehicle, one will ride-share, bicycle, or take public transit to work.
09-28-20, 11:40 AM
#101
Lexus Fanatic
No. The public will simply not allow it. They rebelled against similar nonsense twice in the past, getting mandated sales-quotas for alternate-fuel vehicles overturned, and will probably do so again.
what will happen to ice cars at that time? Will they become more valuable on the used market?
will california just give a tesla or other ev to everyone who can't afford one anyway?
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-28-20 at 11:44 AM.
09-28-20, 02:05 PM
#102
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
09-28-20, 02:14 PM
#104
Lead Lap
Public will allow it if you give them a product they can afford in terms of upfront and long term costs. Until the big names electrify 50% of their popular models its gonna be hard.
