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09-28-20, 02:40 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by sdls
Almost all EV and hybrid batteries get recycled because they have valuable materials that get reused in new batteries.
09-28-20, 03:10 PM
#107
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09-28-20, 03:34 PM
#108
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Who is gonna pay for 15 million battery EVs each year to be recycled if everything is battery? The user will....it will be just as expensive if not more to operate an EV in the future than a gas car. Then there is road taxes that need to be collected that are currently included with gas purchases. And endless charging infrastructure upgrades. Recycling batteries is a dream that will never come true
09-28-20, 03:43 PM
#110
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Recycling batteries is far cheaper than mining new materials for new battery production. It’s actually a big win win because it will decrease the cost of new batteries relative to how batteries are made today with mined materials. This translates to lower costs to the consumer and a base of battery materials that don’t need to be sourced from abroad.
09-28-20, 03:46 PM
#111
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I don't understand the skepticism. People act like there's no progress to be made in the next 15 years. Writing is on the wall and resistance is futile.
09-28-20, 03:48 PM
#112
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There is plenty of demand for electric cars right now that use expensive, non recycled battery materials. Tesla is constructing their own battery recycling facility to bring their cost of batteries down. This should result in cheaper electric vehicles for all, in the long term.
09-28-20, 03:51 PM
#113
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There is plenty of demand for electric cars right now that use expensive, non recycled battery materials. Tesla is constructing their own battery recycling facility to bring their cost of batteries down. This should result in cheaper electric vehicles for all, in the long term.
Good discussion...but it will just never happen.
09-28-20, 03:53 PM
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I think the skepticism is perfectly natural. Lots of big promises have been made over the years that never got delivered. EVs are the real deal now but it will take some time for them to earn the trust of our more skeptical brethren. I think the best selling point is to simply go and drive one. The driving experience is just exhilarating.
09-28-20, 03:54 PM
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09-28-20, 08:20 PM
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Who would have thought that gas, which costs less than a gallon of milk in most states, costs what it does now? I mean it only takes hundreds of thousands of years to produce, then it needs to be explored and found, then extracted, then transported to a refinery, then refined, then transported again to a gas station, which itself has infrastructure. Nobody will be able to tell how much batteries will cost, but humans are extremely good at optimization and efficiency when there is cost savings to be had.
09-28-20, 08:55 PM
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I dont understand this. As battery technology increases, each generation will use less material for the same range. Hopefully we arrive at a place where we can recycle old batteries and use it in new ones, but if it cannot, then we will just continue mining. Economics will come into play for this one, and the industry will go where it is economically feasible.
Who would have thought that gas, which costs less than a gallon of milk in most states, costs what it does now? I mean it only takes hundreds of thousands of years to produce, then it needs to be explored and found, then extracted, then transported to a refinery, then refined, then transported again to a gas station, which itself has infrastructure. Nobody will be able to tell how much batteries will cost, but humans are extremely good at optimization and efficiency when there is cost savings to be had.
Who would have thought that gas, which costs less than a gallon of milk in most states, costs what it does now? I mean it only takes hundreds of thousands of years to produce, then it needs to be explored and found, then extracted, then transported to a refinery, then refined, then transported again to a gas station, which itself has infrastructure. Nobody will be able to tell how much batteries will cost, but humans are extremely good at optimization and efficiency when there is cost savings to be had.
09-28-20, 09:05 PM
#118
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
With present technology, though, those batteries depend on Lithium.....and, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, supply of it, in the future, may become dicey, if it continues to be more or less controlled by just a few South American countries.
Lithium isn't the scarce resource...it's nickel.they don't currently have enough sourced nickel and will have to find some more.
09-28-20, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sdls
I think Tesla’s working on lithium-iron technology as a contingency plan since nickel supply isn’t guaranteed, as you just aptly noted.