California Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars In The State By 2035
09-23-20, 12:01 PM
#1
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
California Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars In The State By 2035
And so it begins...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohn.../#4443b3b7b876
California, the biggest buyer of vehicles in the U.S., is banning sales of new gasoline- and diesel-powered cars and trucks in the state by 2035 with an executive order signed by Governor Gavin Newsom. It’s the single-most aggressive such action ever taken by any U.S. state or nation to fight carbon pollution that’s fueling higher temperatures and wildfires in California and persistent air-quality problems from automotive exhaust.
“To get to a carbon-free economy by 2045 we can’t get there without transportation,” Newsom said in a webcast today. “We are marking a new course … with a firm goal that by 2035 we will eliminate in the state of California sales of internal combustion engines.”
While new carbon-fueled vehicles can’t be purchased after the law takes effect, “you can keep your current car or buy a used car,” he said. “We’re not taking anything away.”
With a population of 40 million the state buys more than 10% of all new cars and trucks sold in the U.S. annually and is the country’s biggest market for electric vehicles, with about 750,000 on the road today. California also has 34 companies making or planning to produce electric vehicles, most notably Palo Alto-based Tesla TSLA -9.5%. The combined value of this company’s “half a trillion dollars,” Newsom said.
Transportation accounts for more than half of California’s carbon pollution, 80% percent of smog-forming pollution and 95% of harmful diesel emissions, Newsom’s office said in a statement. As a result, cities and towns in the Los Angeles region and the state’s Central Valley consistently have some of the worst air quality in the U.S.
Along with the rule of passenger vehicles, California’s Air Resources Board is to set regulations requiring medium- and heavy-duty vehicles to be zero emission by 2045, according to Newsom’s office. Drayage trucks, that haul cargo to and from the state’s ports, will need to be zero-emission by 2035.
California’s previous environmental and emissions rules have been fought by automakers, oil companies and the Trump Administration, and Newsom’s new order undoubtedly will face legal challenges. Nevertheless, six automakers that have previously agreed to stick with California’s tough automotive emissions rules are supporting the switch away from gasoline. They include Ford, Volkswagen, Honda, BMW and Volvo.
Separately, Newsom also said his order includes a ban on fracking for oil and gas production in the state.
The announcement comes the same day Volkswagen unveiled pricing and an on-sale date for its battery-powered ID.4 hatchback and a day after Elon Musk touted Tesla’s plans for cheaper batteries that he says will lead to a $25,000 electric car within the next few years.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohn.../#4443b3b7b876
California Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars In The State By 2035
California, the biggest buyer of vehicles in the U.S., is banning sales of new gasoline- and diesel-powered cars and trucks in the state by 2035 with an executive order signed by Governor Gavin Newsom. It’s the single-most aggressive such action ever taken by any U.S. state or nation to fight carbon pollution that’s fueling higher temperatures and wildfires in California and persistent air-quality problems from automotive exhaust.
“To get to a carbon-free economy by 2045 we can’t get there without transportation,” Newsom said in a webcast today. “We are marking a new course … with a firm goal that by 2035 we will eliminate in the state of California sales of internal combustion engines.”
While new carbon-fueled vehicles can’t be purchased after the law takes effect, “you can keep your current car or buy a used car,” he said. “We’re not taking anything away.”
With a population of 40 million the state buys more than 10% of all new cars and trucks sold in the U.S. annually and is the country’s biggest market for electric vehicles, with about 750,000 on the road today. California also has 34 companies making or planning to produce electric vehicles, most notably Palo Alto-based Tesla TSLA -9.5%. The combined value of this company’s “half a trillion dollars,” Newsom said.
Transportation accounts for more than half of California’s carbon pollution, 80% percent of smog-forming pollution and 95% of harmful diesel emissions, Newsom’s office said in a statement. As a result, cities and towns in the Los Angeles region and the state’s Central Valley consistently have some of the worst air quality in the U.S.
Along with the rule of passenger vehicles, California’s Air Resources Board is to set regulations requiring medium- and heavy-duty vehicles to be zero emission by 2045, according to Newsom’s office. Drayage trucks, that haul cargo to and from the state’s ports, will need to be zero-emission by 2035.
California’s previous environmental and emissions rules have been fought by automakers, oil companies and the Trump Administration, and Newsom’s new order undoubtedly will face legal challenges. Nevertheless, six automakers that have previously agreed to stick with California’s tough automotive emissions rules are supporting the switch away from gasoline. They include Ford, Volkswagen, Honda, BMW and Volvo.
Separately, Newsom also said his order includes a ban on fracking for oil and gas production in the state.
The announcement comes the same day Volkswagen unveiled pricing and an on-sale date for its battery-powered ID.4 hatchback and a day after Elon Musk touted Tesla’s plans for cheaper batteries that he says will lead to a $25,000 electric car within the next few years.
09-23-20, 12:06 PM
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Lexus Fanatic
LOL. Here we go again. California has tried this twice in the past (either banning ICEs outright, or greatly restricting them and mandating a certain percentage of alternate-fuel vehicles sold).....and, both times, was forced, by public opinion, to retract the mandate. Probably will this time, too.
09-23-20, 02:30 PM
#4
with the billions we spend on putting out fires, they could probably build an underground sprinkler or water pipe network which they could turn on at will and put out fires faster.
if ev cars are cheap enough by 2035, I'd be happy to ditch ICE, considering the stupid higher gas prices we pay.
but right now, electric cars are still way more expensive to own. Quick google says ev costs 485$ per year, gas car costs $1117 per year. $632 difference x 20 years = $13000
a comparable EV has to be less than $13k more expensive to be worthwhile.
if ev cars are cheap enough by 2035, I'd be happy to ditch ICE, considering the stupid higher gas prices we pay.
but right now, electric cars are still way more expensive to own. Quick google says ev costs 485$ per year, gas car costs $1117 per year. $632 difference x 20 years = $13000
a comparable EV has to be less than $13k more expensive to be worthwhile.
09-23-20, 02:47 PM
#6
Lexus Fanatic
In 15 years will there be enough production of non petrol cars to meet demand? I have my doubts.
09-23-20, 02:55 PM
#7
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
with the billions we spend on putting out fires, they could probably build an underground sprinkler or water pipe network which they could turn on at will and put out fires faster.
if ev cars are cheap enough by 2035, I'd be happy to ditch ICE, considering the stupid higher gas prices we pay.
but right now, electric cars are still way more expensive to own. Quick google says ev costs 485$ per year, gas car costs $1117 per year. $632 difference x 20 years = $13000
a comparable EV has to be less than $13k more expensive to be worthwhile.
if ev cars are cheap enough by 2035, I'd be happy to ditch ICE, considering the stupid higher gas prices we pay.
but right now, electric cars are still way more expensive to own. Quick google says ev costs 485$ per year, gas car costs $1117 per year. $632 difference x 20 years = $13000
a comparable EV has to be less than $13k more expensive to be worthwhile.
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09-23-20, 03:43 PM
#9
Lexus Fanatic
You are assuming any thought went into this legislation.
09-23-20, 03:48 PM
#10
“To get to a carbon-free economy by 2045 we can’t get there without transportation,” Newsom said in a webcast today. “We are marking a new course … with a firm goal that by 2035 we will eliminate in the state of California sales of internal combustion engines.”
09-23-20, 03:59 PM
#11
Lexus Test Driver
Actually, the executive order signed today mandates ZEVs only - so this is a complete ICE ban.
09-23-20, 04:04 PM
#13
Lexus Fanatic
It in effect does specifically say. Zero emission passenger vehicles by 2035, trucks zero emissions by 2045. .....beaten to is see above.
And yes I am aware zero emissions really means emissions elsewhere the only question is how much.
And yes I am aware zero emissions really means emissions elsewhere the only question is how much.
09-23-20, 04:17 PM
#14
Lexus Test Driver
I care only insofar as so many people fleeing CA come and crowd up my state, which is incredibly annoying.
09-23-20, 04:38 PM
#15
Lexus Fanatic
Totally insane. It's not going to pass/work. One state can't just change the auto industry. California has a lot more problems to worry about then now banning IC cars. No wonder normal people are fleeing that state in such high numbers.