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no one said it would magically grant you batteries. That is why their is a need to invest into battery cell production. That is the whole point of Tesla giga factories and their second phase of battery production. Panasonic and LG couldn’t keep up that is why Tesla’s solution is making these production facilities.
If Tesla -the global leader in EVs with over a decade of experience- has not yet even begun to manufacture their own batteries yet, what makes you think Toyota would?
It's easy to think that because of Toyota's size and profitability, they ought to just throw money at everything to get the job done. But that's not the company's way of doing business, and never has been.
Solid state batteries seem promising! Hydrogen fuel cell to me seems limited and almost a temporary fad. I believe the only station in the US are all California based. Plus the infrastructure wouldn’t make sense to build if a lot more companies are moving hybrid/full electric.
Presently they are working hard on battery degradation, because solid state batteries degrade faster than conventional lithium ion batteries.
Presently they are working hard on battery degradation, because solid state batteries degrade faster than conventional lithium ion batteries.
There is a lot of evidence now that the older Teslas with active thermal management on the batteries have an acceptable level of degradation (less than 15%with 200k miles on the batteries and about 8 years old). The newer chemistry in the Model 3 is even better and the newer stuff 4630 cell should last even longer and be around $75 per kWh. With this level of progress, solid states not really needed.
There is a lot of evidence now that the older Teslas with active thermal management on the batteries have an acceptable level of degradation (less than 15%with 200k miles on the batteries and about 8 years old). The newer chemistry in the Model 3 is even better and the newer stuff 4630 cell should last even longer and be around $75 per kWh. With this level of progress, solid states not really needed.
Interesting EZZ, solid state batteries sound interesting but Lithium ion especially the 4860 tab-less battery Tesla announced in September seem really advanced. Tesla is saying 16% improved range and 6X more power! The fact that Tesla is talking about a $25,000 car in the future sounds amazing. Plus Lithium-Ion has been in the market for a long time, so the of lowering cost is a plus. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/22/2...-day-elon-musk
Interesting EZZ, solid state batteries sound interesting but Lithium ion especially the 4860 tab-less battery Tesla announced in September seem really advanced. Tesla is saying 16% improved range and 6X more power! The fact that Tesla is talking about a $25,000 car in the future sounds amazing. Plus Lithium-Ion has been in the market for a long time, so the of lowering cost is a plus. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/22/2...-day-elon-musk
I agree with you. The new batteries will make EVs lower priced than a comparable ICE. Good stuff ahead for the automotive industry. Let's see if solid state comes in the next 5 years. It's such a new technology that it's unproven right now. The new 4860 battery will be available next year in the Plaid Model S so it's right around the corner.
Toyota should bring out more PHEVs until then as they have an audience clamoring for more. The RAV4 Prime would be their best selling car if they had enough of them.
Toyota had a lot of success with the Prius and has really not done much since then.
I guess they plan to leapfrog the Turbo and EV eras then just jump straight to magic engines that run on water. Tesla is light years ahead at this point.
The good news is EV market will continue to be a niche for foreseeable future so Toyota/Lexus still has time to get their act together.
What are you taking about? I didn't say TMC had a facility.
Okay, so where is this facility they will be instructing to ramp up production and who owns it. You made the claim I'm assuming you know something I don't, share.
NiCads have been around since 1899; over 100 years ago.
NiMH were first commercially available in 1989.
While Lion & LiPo were first commercially available with Sony in 1991.
Surely there must be another major breakthrough in battery technology soon?
Solid state, and then "graphene" battery technology.
Hence Toyota Motor Corp is right in limiting further investments into ICE, with all their focus on full electrification and solid state battery tech.
NiCads have been around since 1899; over 100 years ago.
NiMH were first commercially available in 1989.
While Lion & LiPo were first commercially available with Sony in 1991.
Surely there must be another major breakthrough in battery technology soon?
Solid state, and then "graphene" battery technology.
Hence Toyota Motor Corp is right in limiting further investments into ICE, with all their focus on full electrification and solid state battery tech.
Hopefully it turns out OK for them, it's just unbelievable that company that had whole decade head start in electrification didn't believe in it (big oil money) and in the meantime Prius has morphed from R&D showcase to marketing tool instead. I remember all the Li-ion battery talk back in 2007. It only took them ten years to do so. Where did their biggest advancements in Lexus hybrid setup come from? From improvements in mechanical and ICE area, not from the electrical.
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