Motorola

You wanted a 5GS? Here's what's left of it:

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/20.../#lg=1&slide=7

EZZ

Should have made that the GS with the V6TT. Could have been a real winner instead of the super niche fuel cell vehicle

Carmaker1

Carscraps is so full of ****. Always know how to take a story and f*** it up, with opinionated conjecture. The so-called concept was the production vehicle itself. not to mention, these aren't the first


Anyway at OP:

it's very unfortunate that management decided to both cancel IS and GS redesigns.

Motorola

Okay, that's a bombshell. Do you mean the IS is on the chopping block like the GS?

Striker223

Or perhaps a real engine like the 5.0 and offer a TT version. Heck the GSF with a super is a 800hp car already so they would ideally at least match that.

EZZ

I was thinking the base engine was the 3.5L Twin turbo. The GSF can have a beastly V8.

Motorola

Striker223

That would be awesome and make it a M3 competitor for way less money and really reclaim some pride for the brands performance. Sorry I defaulted to thinking the 2UR would again be the normal engine and that the TT would be the top, I doubt Lexus would ever give the 3.5TT as a base engine even though they really really should in anything it fits in so I totally missed your point.

EZZ

The GS used to be near the top of its class in horsepower in Lexus glory days. Just making the V6 TT as the base engine will bring it back to those days again.

LeX2K

I don't know what Toyota and Lexus are doing anymore. We have a Mirai refresh (why) the same 15 year old engine in new models largely unchanged, an EV that is not even good enough to sell in North America. And the ultimate salt in the wound no V8 LS.

Toyota needs to pick a lane, gas, EV, hydrogen. 1 not all 3.

Carmaker1

Well, yes and no. GS was cancelled before 4IS program was shuttered and delayed. When IS got a facelift in 2016, a new generation was already in development. That apparently would've been halted in 2017, right after 5GS was cancelled in autumn 2016 and then became Mirai. XE30 facelift required at least 33-36 months turnaround time from planning to assembly.

The 2021 Mirai final design was quickly approved in 2017, as last year it was mentioned somewhere in Japanese, it had only been some 2 years since they came up with the final look. At the time, it was also 3 years since GS cancellation was first mentioned in December 2016. 2019-2 = 2017, so it makes sense.

I was the first and only person to report on 5GS cancellation outside of Japan during 2016, as ironically not even Lexus USA knew about it in Torrance and Plano. It took until March 2017 for it to catch fire and be reported everywhere else in English, thanks to Lexus Enthusiast taking my advice and doing some further research (plus hiring a translator).

I did an about face in March 2017 on misleading unofficial info from Toyota USA peeps and then reverted back to my cancellation stance in 2018 when I got better proof. In 2020, I was proven correct, along with ex-CL member MPLexus who is very, very knowledgeable about the future of Lexus. A very good source of info.

pbm317

But other companies are able to push all 3 and still keep up.

LeX2K

For example?

Toys4RJill

The worlds largest or 2nd largest car company can do all three. Hydrogen is the end game...

LeX2K

End game to go out of business.