Hyundai/Kia recalls and lawsuits
04-29-22, 06:05 AM
#286
Lexus Fanatic
I think it depends on which Hyundai or Kia. All of the ones that I've been in lately have been surprisingly nice inside. I haven't ridden in many Ubers since COVID.
04-29-22, 06:46 AM
#287
Lexus Champion
I have a 3 year old Santa Fe that has had 0 problems and 0 recalls.
Last edited by tex2670; 04-29-22 at 06:57 AM.
04-29-22, 06:48 AM
#288
Lexus Champion
04-29-22, 06:51 AM
#289
Lexus Champion
I agree that the image sometimes goes overboard, although it is true that the VW Dieselgate scandal certainly didn't help, and upscale German products like your S-Class, when out of warranty or not covered by free service, can be obscenely expensive in the dealer service-bays. I have heard of $1000 oil changes, although I don't know if you actually had to come up with that much on your car.
04-29-22, 08:17 AM
#290
Lexus Test Driver
04-29-22, 08:29 AM
#291
Forum Administrator
iTrader: (2)
I think there is going to be substance. Just a quick google of “how many Kia and Hyundai recalls are there?” gives this back
Data collected by the Center for Auto Safety show more than 30 U.S. fire and engine-related recalls from Hyundai and Kia since 2015. The recalls involve more than 20 models from the 2006 through 2021 model years totaling over 8.4 million vehicles.Feb 8, 2022
04-29-22, 08:33 AM
#292
Lexus Fanatic
8.4 million! I'm betting Hyundai management has done the math and decided it's much cheaper to let the whole thing drag out vs. fixing all the cars properly.
04-29-22, 08:47 AM
#293
Lexus Test Driver
I have no doubt that there are major recalls affecting many vehicles but a lot of those recalls affect all their vehicles. 48 individual major recalls is a pretty bold number. As I said, I would love to see that list if true.
04-29-22, 09:02 AM
#294
Either way, nobody has answered the actual challenge I've given since the beginning of the thread- define the correlation between recall and reliability when such correlation doesn't exist.
04-29-22, 09:04 AM
#295
Lexus Fanatic
04-29-22, 01:59 PM
#296
First of all, that's not "12 out of 15", that's a cropped version of the chart because I couldn't find the one that had all 28 or so brands.
Let's look at Genesis's rankings: 12, 6, 5, unranked, and 24. Now let's look at Acura: 13, 19, 28, unranked, and 8.
So a brand whose low is lower than Genesis's lowest and whose highest is still lower than two years of Genesis... and you insist that they have better rankings?
Let's look at Genesis's rankings: 12, 6, 5, unranked, and 24. Now let's look at Acura: 13, 19, 28, unranked, and 8.
So a brand whose low is lower than Genesis's lowest and whose highest is still lower than two years of Genesis... and you insist that they have better rankings?
Acura:
2018 158,934
2019 157,385
2020 136,982
2021 157,408
2022 28,236
Genesis:
2018 9,940
2019 21,237
2020 16,384
2021 49,630
2022 11,723
Like I said if Genesis sold in the same quantity as Acura then it'd be something to celebrate about. More cars mean more things could go wrong.
You're mighty arrogant, about what we have no idea.
You still haven't explained why Hyundai/Kia/Genesis have issued 33 recalls for vehicle fires that involve at least 20 models and more than 5 million vehicles from the model years 2006 through 2021?
04-29-22, 02:02 PM
#297
Lexus Fanatic
04-29-22, 04:04 PM
#298
You might have a point IF Genesis had the same volume as Acura. Let's compare US sales of the two for the last five years shall we?
Acura:
2018 158,934
2019 157,385
2020 136,982
2021 157,408
2022 28,236
Genesis:
2018 9,940
2019 21,237
2020 16,384
2021 49,630
2022 11,723
Like I said if Genesis sold in the same quantity as Acura then it'd be something to celebrate about. More cars mean more things could go wrong.
Your big mistake here is ASSUMING that quality control is the same regardless of volume. Better retake that statistics class over or get your money back.
Acura:
2018 158,934
2019 157,385
2020 136,982
2021 157,408
2022 28,236
Genesis:
2018 9,940
2019 21,237
2020 16,384
2021 49,630
2022 11,723
Like I said if Genesis sold in the same quantity as Acura then it'd be something to celebrate about. More cars mean more things could go wrong.
Your big mistake here is ASSUMING that quality control is the same regardless of volume. Better retake that statistics class over or get your money back.
Let me explain this again in the simplest manner possible. Brand A sells three cars. Brand B sells five cars. If 1 car in Brand A goes bad, that brand has a 66% reliability. If 1 car in Brand B goes bad, that brand has 80% reliability. For a lower volume brand, 1 bad car has a greater impact on the overall reliability score than a higher volume one.
Because Genesis has lower volume, 1 bad car has a greater impact on their overall reliability than Acura. And yet they for 3 out of 4 the years they were on the assessment they had higher reliability scores than Acura.
They don't because if they were included then you'd see Hyundai/Kia/Genesis rankings sink even further.
You still haven't explained why Hyundai/Kia/Genesis have issued 33 recalls for vehicle fires that involve at least 20 models and more than 5 million vehicles from the model years 2006 through 2021?
I'm still waiting for your thesis on how JD Power is a hoax...
You're mighty arrogant, about what we have no idea.
04-29-22, 04:16 PM
#300
A company run by bean counters would rather let the incidents occur and hope they don't become widespread, like Ford did with the Pinto, than actually spend money on a recall.