Hyundai/Kia recalls and lawsuits
#46
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Yes, I understand that. What I was pointing out was that there are two sides to many stories, including that one...and, often, both of them are credible.
And I have to make a correction to an earlier post.......I have actually known three people, not one, that had vehicles catch fire. The other one was long ago, that I had forgot...a lady friend of mine and her mid-1980s Ford Escort. I had actually driven that car before myself....once on a long trip, when she didn't want to drive herself. Later, it caught fire at her house, and I don't remember what she replaced it with. I had also forgotten the time my brother was driving my late father's 1966 Plymouth and it had a minor engine fire....he was able to put it out by beating it with a blanket.
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#48
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There seems to be a whole lot of satisfied Kia and Hyundai owners out there, including the three Kias my brother has owned, for (supposedly) all of these vehicles either catching fire or being a potential fire risk. MeThinks there is a lot of fire-hype here, with little substance.
Having said that, of course, it certainly doesn't hurt to have one's vehicle checked, and, if necessary, repaired, particularly if the company is willing to do it under recall or warranty.
Having said that, of course, it certainly doesn't hurt to have one's vehicle checked, and, if necessary, repaired, particularly if the company is willing to do it under recall or warranty.
#49
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#51
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#52
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Crossing the Genesis off my short list as we speak!
I've dealt with three engine fires in my life, and that's enough! All three were in the same '65 Ford Galaxy that my dad bought new for his parents. When they became too old to drive anymore, my dad made the Galaxy our family car. It seems Ford couldn't get the automatic choke to work properly. I put out the first two fires myself, once when my sister was driving us to high school and once later when I was driving myself to high school. My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend. Years later, I bought it back from her. It had caught on fire on her and after it sat for a long time, she wanted out. I fixed it up and sold it to my brother! Besides the burnt paint on the hood, it was in pretty good shape, and the old 390 purred like a kitten when it wasn't aflame!
I've dealt with three engine fires in my life, and that's enough! All three were in the same '65 Ford Galaxy that my dad bought new for his parents. When they became too old to drive anymore, my dad made the Galaxy our family car. It seems Ford couldn't get the automatic choke to work properly. I put out the first two fires myself, once when my sister was driving us to high school and once later when I was driving myself to high school. My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend. Years later, I bought it back from her. It had caught on fire on her and after it sat for a long time, she wanted out. I fixed it up and sold it to my brother! Besides the burnt paint on the hood, it was in pretty good shape, and the old 390 purred like a kitten when it wasn't aflame!
#53
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Crossing the Genesis off my short list as we speak!
I've dealt with three engine fires in my life, and that's enough! All three were in the same '65 Ford Galaxy that my dad bought new for his parents. When they became too old to drive anymore, my dad made the Galaxy our family car. It seems Ford couldn't get the automatic choke to work properly. I put out the first two fires myself, once when my sister was driving us to high school and once later when I was driving myself to high school. My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend. Years later, I bought it back from her. It had caught on fire on her and after it sat for a long time, she wanted out. I fixed it up and sold it to my brother! Besides the burnt paint on the hood, it was in pretty good shape, and the old 390 purred like a kitten when it wasn't aflame!
I've dealt with three engine fires in my life, and that's enough! All three were in the same '65 Ford Galaxy that my dad bought new for his parents. When they became too old to drive anymore, my dad made the Galaxy our family car. It seems Ford couldn't get the automatic choke to work properly. I put out the first two fires myself, once when my sister was driving us to high school and once later when I was driving myself to high school. My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend. Years later, I bought it back from her. It had caught on fire on her and after it sat for a long time, she wanted out. I fixed it up and sold it to my brother! Besides the burnt paint on the hood, it was in pretty good shape, and the old 390 purred like a kitten when it wasn't aflame!
Hmmm.... it would seem that a bad choke assembly shouldn't necessarily cause an engine fire. The choke merely adjusts the air/fuel mixture inside the carburetor (which, at worst, could cause stumbling/stalling or hard-starting), but, for an engine fire to take place, fuel usually has to be leaking outside the carburetor, onto a hot surface like the exhaust manifolds.
#54
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I believe all three fires occurred when the engine was cold. The automatic choke would cause the engine to flood, then while cranking with the throttle wide open (to counter the flooded condition) a hick-up would allow a back-draft from the combustion chambers to ignite the unspent fuel in the intake manifold and set the carburetor on fire! My dad was an mechanical engineer and worked on the choke repeatedly to prevent this, but to no avail. It was too fine a line to adjust it to choke enough to start the car when cold, but, not so much as to flood it! I had a similar problem with a 1980 Mustang and ended up ripping out the auto choke and installing a manual one. Thank goodness for fuel injection!
#55
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I believe all three fires occurred when the engine was cold. The automatic choke would cause the engine to flood, then while cranking with the throttle wide open (to counter the flooded condition) a hick-up would allow a back-draft from the combustion chambers to ignite the unspent fuel in the intake manifold and set the carburetor on fire! My dad was an mechanical engineer and worked on the choke repeatedly to prevent this, but to no avail. It was too fine a line to adjust it to choke enough to start the car when cold, but, not so much as to flood it! I had a similar problem with a 1980 Mustang and ended up ripping out the auto choke and installing a manual one. Thank goodness for fuel injection!
Absolutely Thank Goodness for EFI .......I've said that many times in the past. I rate it as the #1 automotive-advancement of my lifetime.....with electronic ignition #2, and car-based AWD #3. It ranks up with the invention of the electric self-starter, which Cadillac first used in 1916.
#56
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because your dad's ford, 55 years ago caught fire? That's some correlation as to the risk for a genesis catching fire.
remember 'all' those (mostly clickbait) reports of teslas catching fire? They didn't stop sales either.
Wow, what a guy.
remember 'all' those (mostly clickbait) reports of teslas catching fire? They didn't stop sales either.
My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend.
#57
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because your dad's ford, 55 years ago caught fire? That's some correlation as to the risk for a genesis catching fire.
remember 'all' those (mostly clickbait) reports of teslas catching fire? They didn't stop sales either.
Like I said, three engine fires in a lifetime is enough for me...don't want to deal with any more.
Wow, what a guy.
remember 'all' those (mostly clickbait) reports of teslas catching fire? They didn't stop sales either.
Like I said, three engine fires in a lifetime is enough for me...don't want to deal with any more.
Wow, what a guy.
#58
I've replaced a few 2015 Sonata engines that were locked up. The owners claim routine maintenance and I have no reason to doubt them. But, as they were bought used and easily within 50-60k miles, Hyundai wouldn't cover it. Not sure how many factory warranties follow with CPO buyers, but I was almost sold on these brands with their decent performing cars and 100k warranties until I've had to replace several locked up engines. I'm working on a quote for a 2014 Kia Soul with a seized 2.0l engine.
#59
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I've replaced a few 2015 Sonata engines that were locked up. The owners claim routine maintenance and I have no reason to doubt them. But, as they were bought used and easily within 50-60k miles, Hyundai wouldn't cover it. Not sure how many factory warranties follow with CPO buyers, but I was almost sold on these brands with their decent performing cars and 100k warranties until I've had to replace several locked up engines. I'm working on a quote for a 2014 Kia Soul with a seized 2.0l engine.
#60
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Crossing the Genesis off my short list as we speak!
I've dealt with three engine fires in my life, and that's enough! All three were in the same '65 Ford Galaxy that my dad bought new for his parents. When they became too old to drive anymore, my dad made the Galaxy our family car. It seems Ford couldn't get the automatic choke to work properly. I put out the first two fires myself, once when my sister was driving us to high school and once later when I was driving myself to high school. My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend. Years later, I bought it back from her. It had caught on fire on her and after it sat for a long time, she wanted out. I fixed it up and sold it to my brother! Besides the burnt paint on the hood, it was in pretty good shape, and the old 390 purred like a kitten when it wasn't aflame!
I've dealt with three engine fires in my life, and that's enough! All three were in the same '65 Ford Galaxy that my dad bought new for his parents. When they became too old to drive anymore, my dad made the Galaxy our family car. It seems Ford couldn't get the automatic choke to work properly. I put out the first two fires myself, once when my sister was driving us to high school and once later when I was driving myself to high school. My dad got rid of the old fiery Ford by selling it to his girlfriend. Years later, I bought it back from her. It had caught on fire on her and after it sat for a long time, she wanted out. I fixed it up and sold it to my brother! Besides the burnt paint on the hood, it was in pretty good shape, and the old 390 purred like a kitten when it wasn't aflame!
I've replaced a few 2015 Sonata engines that were locked up. The owners claim routine maintenance and I have no reason to doubt them. But, as they were bought used and easily within 50-60k miles, Hyundai wouldn't cover it. Not sure how many factory warranties follow with CPO buyers, but I was almost sold on these brands with their decent performing cars and 100k warranties until I've had to replace several locked up engines. I'm working on a quote for a 2014 Kia Soul with a seized 2.0l engine.
Here are some images...look at all the red engine issues.