Mainstreaming them will make them LESS of a political statement not more. Remember the huge political statement hybrids used to be?

 

I don't want to get too much or really at all into politics here, but let's just say that the time when the Prius was at its peak recognition in the mid-2000s was a far less polarized political environment than the one we're currently in, where mask-wearing is seen as a political statement.

 

There will also be pushback I think.

Like I said, you have 3500 trucks with 1000lb/ft of torque that accelerate 0-60 in under 7 seconds and don't even smoke. And they get like 16 MPG around town. Vehicles on the road in the United States are cleaner than EVER.

I think politics will be a big part of all of this for better or worse depending on one's view.

 

I think once these hurdles are addressed, you will be surprised by how quickly consumers adapt to EV cars. Even trucks. In reality, they are just much better in every way...

 

I don’t think by 2030 ICE will be a niche. Hybrids will be the #1 platform....but BEV transport trucks...buses....work trucks...and $36K BEV Camrys that can go 400 miles with 10 minute charge times and cheap plug in electricity seem seem a bit dreamy. I do think the top end of the market will be EV...

Maybe 35% of car sales might be BEV.

 

I think its going to be a lot more than that. Once you have quick charging and easy access to charging, no point in a hybrid.

 

but you still need an affordable battery electric that can go 300 miles. Tesla profit margins are less than 1% other makers will take a long time to get their profit margins anywhere close to gas engines ....I don’t see it happening

 

Yes but you really think we will have all of that in a mere 10 years? Gas stations changed/demolished, etc.? Easy access to charging everywhere? Nobody will have any worries about long trips?

Cars being changed as we know it, it's different than pre and post iPhone worlds..

 

It's 1% and growing with current battery tech. Next generation 4670 cell will be half the cost in 5 years. With that level of cost, it will be cheaper than any IcE comparable out there. In 10 years, I can't imagine the progress made. Change is coming.

 

Google "mining for lithium." Nothing in life is free.

 

People forget Tesla Model S came out amost 10yrs ago already. First customer deliveries were in June 2012.
I really don’t see that much has changed since then - EVs continue to be a small niche of overall sales. So predicting some crazy change by 2030 is optimistic at best. The niche will continue to grow but very gradually imo.

Besides Tesla, no automaker has had any real success in EV sales.
BMW, Audi, MB, Jaguar and even Porsche now all have full EV models and NOBODY is interested in purchasing them.

 

And because Tesla makes next to no profit....they can’t pay for the engineering, development and factory costs to redesign and retool a factory for a new S

Its not possible for the whole industry to just change so quick.....comes down to profits. I am sure Toyota makes more margin on their UXe or CHRe than anyone else.....Taycan must be very very high.

 

Yep, just look at the (lack of) quality in Teslas as well.

 

They will come. This tech will get a LOT cheaper in the coming years.

10 years is a long time, like we said before in the tech world that is an eternity. Do I think most gas stations will add quick charging electric stations within the next 10 years? Absolutely. Once there is money to be made by doing that, they will be clamoring to do it.

 

Who is saying that? There is a lot of misinformation out there about EVs and cost. . I don’t believe anything that comes out of Tesla when it comes to cost either.