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Old 12-15-20 | 12:07 PM
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On dark winding roads it’s a toss up between LED and Halogen?! I would strongly disagree with that...
Old 12-15-20 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
On dark winding roads it’s a toss up between LED and Halogen?! I would strongly disagree with that...
Uh huh lol. Last car I bought a few years ago had the stock halogens I honestly forgot about them since I was only city driving and not much driving in general. Took it on a trip and damn son it was SCARY bad.
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Uh huh lol. Last car I bought a few years ago had the stock halogens I honestly forgot about them since I was only city driving and not much driving in general. Took it on a trip and damn son it was SCARY bad.
Yeah, around town with well lighted roads is one thing, but yeah on a dark road the difference is HUGE
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Halogen projectors on my 2015 Camry SE: Not bad, but definitely not very bright either. Soft-white color. It's been a while, but I remember thinking they were great at the time and surely better than my former 2010 Camry.
LEDs on my 2016 IS 300 AWD F Sport: Pretty solid, not the most range, but very bright where they do have range.
HIDs on my 2016 GTI Autobahn: A good balance, they seemed to light up as much of the road as the Lexus's lights, just, slightly different, less-white color and slightly less bright. Cornering lights and the fact that the headlights steered in the turns helped a lot.
LEDs on my 2020 GLI: Nice and bright, I'd say equally bright to the F Sport's lights. Super-far range with high beams. An upgrade over the GTI's lights in brightness, but a downgrade in functionality. Not that I needed the functionality.

Generally, LEDs have always seemed a little better for me. The LED units on the X3 I recently rented were great as well.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
On dark winding roads it’s a toss up between LED and Halogen?! I would strongly disagree with that...
Toss up in terms of what is the setup on the vehicle.There are levels to headlights as you pointed on your new S-class review, and not every single vehicle has properly designed LEDs with active curve detecting technology and active beam shutters etc. A lot of honda, lexus, acura (to name a few) have stationary headlights that are setup to perform best for the most common scenario, a town road with some sort of environmental lighting. In those vehicles with LEDs they just dont outperform their halogen counterparts on backroads, sharp curves, and distance.






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I just completely disagree. I've driven much lower end cars with LEDs and HIDs in those settings without adaptive lighting and they all dramatically out perform halogens.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I just completely disagree. I've driven much lower end cars with LEDs and HIDs in those settings without adaptive lighting and they all dramatically out perform halogens.
Thats fine. Some food for thought.

https://www.consumerreports.org/head...ar-advantages/
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So what they're talking about in that article is forward reach of the headlights, and they have a point. But, thats solved by having the headlights aimed a little higher than factory. I have found that HID and LED headlights often have a sharp cutoff that goes a little less far down the road than you would expect. A simple adjustment of the lights slightly up will cure that. I have had every set of HID headlights I've had on a car adjusted slightly up. The LED in my LS460L and in my S560 didnt need it. HID in my LS460 did as did my GS and ESs.

In terms of brightness and light saturatuon and broad reach though, there's just no comparison.
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I'm wondering if the testers at CR are all there. Sure it is possible a given LED headlamp is poorly designed but apples to apples we are talking ~1000 lumens vs. 2500+.
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Are they kidding with this? There is Absolutely ZERO question LED's out perform Halogen by a mile. Driving with Halogens in the rain at night is like not even having headlights on. You can hardly see anything. I can't believe they even wrote an article like this lol.
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Are they kidding with this? There is Absolutely ZERO question LED's out perform Halogen by a mile. Driving with Halogens in the rain at night is like not even having headlights on. You can hardly see anything. I can't believe they even wrote an article like this lol.
That's what happened to me, drove home at night and it started raining I legit feared for my safety. Only thing that saved me is the car also has driving/fog lights otherwise I would have been forced to stay somewhere for the night. Even with the halogen fogs and headlights visibility was still poor.
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Yeah, I don't see where they're coming from.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
One often-discussed issue in Car Chat (though I don't recall any specific threads on it) is whether the added expense of manufacturers using LED's is actually worth it or not in everyday practical driving. Many here seem to prefer LEDs, and it may depend on the specific vehicle/design, although I think this is a very interesting write-up from Consumer Reports on the road-test of the new Chevy Trailblazer.

CR has a partial-paywall, so you may or may not be able to access the whole story, but I copied/posted the most relevant part on the vehicle's headlights.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...-test?pagestop




I've been meaning to bring up this subject for a while. When I drive down the street at night I get blinded by half the cars coming from the other way & 90 percent of the newer Pickup trucks especially if they have been raised above factory height. Many of them I will flash my bright's or just leave them on until I pass by them.It's a real pain to see the road.
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I don't find myself being blinded by HIDs or LEDs on oncoming cars.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
So what they're talking about in that article is forward reach of the headlights, and they have a point. But, thats solved by having the headlights aimed a little higher than factory. I have found that HID and LED headlights often have a sharp cutoff that goes a little less far down the road than you would expect. A simple adjustment of the lights slightly up will cure that. I have had every set of HID headlights I've had on a car adjusted slightly up. The LED in my LS460L and in my S560 didnt need it. HID in my LS460 did as did my GS and ESs.

In terms of brightness and light saturatuon and broad reach though, there's just no comparison.
My dad had a '94 Integra, which had projector beam headlights (halogen, of course). They also had a sharp cut-off; it's not just a HID/LED thing.



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