but... but... a maserati is a terrible pos, and now that the F136 ferrari V8 isn't used there's pretty much no reason to ever get ANY one lol... there used to be many reasons to get an avalon but it's no longer the comfortable couch it once was

i'll backtrack a bit and say i did forget about the 302hp only lasting as long as the battery has most of its charge, truthfully i'd much prefer the RAV4 V6 came back but i stopped holding my breath, although if i had the prime (or GLC300) i wouldn't be taking it very far ever and it'd always get plugged at home so for my uses i'd pretty much always have all ALL THE POWAHHH

from what i remember i didn't feel the GLC had the overall comfort and 'premiumness' to warrant its pricetag and the 2 liter engine didn't give that initial oomph i like, i also haven't driven this current gen of RAV4 but on the last gen apart from the slowness i really didn't think it was that bad... a definite step up from like a forester or something

 

Yeah, not sure what the expectation is with that pricing... One of the local dealer's ads came across one of the social media feeds and showed a price of like $65K. I thought it was typo and ignored it, then a couple weeks later I saw it again and decided to check out a couple sites from local dealers, and sure enough they were being marked up to $57-65K from what I saw.

 

i've found that the germans have more consistently mediocre quality opposed to toyota which makes certain things excellent and other things almost laughable

BMW and VW may make a plastic engine but nobody really cares since it generally lasts the length of the lease period and that means they have more money to focus on other aspects that will actually be noticed by the initial buyers

my E-class has a little storage compartment on the front of each front seat, the lid to them is possibly the cheapest flimsiest piece of trim i've ever encountered in a car, but mercedes knows people won't ever really be using them so why bother making that high quality

 

I wouldn’t make that comment about modern Toyota’s and modern German cars. I know exactly what you’re talking about, but modern Lexuses, save the LS and LC don’t have that total quality, and modern German cars don’t have those odd incredibly low quality bits.

Everything in that GLC was super high quality and well finished. Contrast to even a Lexus LX and the quality difference on the interior is quite noticeable. I was very impressed. Any comparison to a Rav 4 is just silly. A Maserati is a POS but you still wouldn’t compare it to an Avalon.

 

fair enough i'm probably living in a previous world who's existence i yearn for but is no longer really there... i should be corrected to "opposed to toyota which made certain things excellent and other things almost laughable" lol

i'm not doubting the overall feel and materials of the GLC is superior to a RAV4, but the GLC300 specifically doesn't have anything that makes me go i want that... and if that GLC is anything like my parents' 2019 C300 (also with 'AMG' package and bigger wheels) after another year it'll start getting rattly and creaky inside

 

I actually checked for that creakyness and couldn’t find any, I’ve noticed that on even new c classes from a year or so ago maybe they’ve improved it.

 

Mercedes is the one calling it a luxury car, the market however prices it like an economy car in a few years. That's fairly common with any luxury car though but I'm cheap when it comes to car prices so it brings those base models into an attractive price point for me.

I don't personally need excess to be a part of luxury so if a 4 cyl is more than adequate for my commute then it's a welcome addition.

 

Please don’t compare a GLC to a RAV4. I recently bought a RAV4 to drive a couple years overseas, and I think our 2006 RX is about 3 times better car than the RAV4.

I can’t believe the RAV4 interior noise was green lighted.. I expected it to be almost Camry quiet. No.. this is close to a 747 in interior noise.

GLC is probably the best looking one in the size range. Too bad about the CarPlay. Hopefully, they’ll have a firmware update for full screen soon.

 

Rav4 interior is plastic fantastic. Even a 2012 Camry has a higher quality interior. Check out the battery cover in the back of a RAV4 hybrid. The tabs are half broken even when brand new.

 

i completely agree with this. when i was looking for a subcompact premium cuv (by choice not by budgetary constraint), i looked at everything on the market - EVERYTHING - and the one thing that the germans get right is that subcompact does not equate to cheap. perhaps inexpensive, relatively speaking, if you go for the base model (which i definitely did not as mine is optioned to the max) but not cheap and that's what won me over.

the only japanese manufacturer in this space that i think does a decent job is acura with the redesigned rdx. that's quite a nice vehicle to drive, but ultimately it wasn't quite as small as i wanted the vehicle to be (as much as that is hard to believe) and i preferred the driving dynamics of the m35i more than the rdx due to the powertrain, of course.

 

The current Lexus lineup is underwhelming to say the least, but then most of the lineup is from the last century. That said, I wouldnt want the cabin of my car to have strip club lightings. Just tacky.

The true overall worth of a car is how much people is willing to pay for it after the first owner and the percentage of them still running around after a certain amount of time. By these measures, german cars are almost considered disposable relative to a plastic fantastic Toyota or Lexus.

 

The primary reason you don't see more German cars running as long as a RAV4 or RX is because most of them are far too expensive to maintain in the long run. And I'm not talking about whether they'll suffer mechanical failures, I mean basic maintenance. Lexus's resale values are due to the fact that most of their volume-selling vehicles are using very old mechanicals shared with cheaper Toyotas, making them easier and cheaper to work on and maintain. If you want to see how resale values would look for Lexus if they used similar tech to the Germans, look no further than the LS500 with its plummeting resale values and horrific reliability ratings.

 

We are just completely different buyers. You aren't making luxury purchases, you're buying used cars and you like the 4 cyl cars because they depreciate more since most buyers, even used buyers don't really want them. I'm a new buyer, and I'm not spending $60,000 for a car with a buzzy 4 cyl engine. MB has a hard time moving the 4cyl cars when there is a 6 cyl option too. If you look at stock of GLEs, the 350s are all over the place and the 450s are very hard to get because demand is much higher. Same is true of the E Class.

Yep, I agree with this. Within the Lexus lineup I would have had a really hard time going backwards in the lineup because the difference in the quality of the interiors and the feel of the cheaper cars was so dramatic. I dont think within Mercedes, BMW, Audi I would have as big an issue doing that. If I wanted a little SUV I could totally see myself driving and enjoying that GLC, where I never could do that with say an NX, or even an RX.

And compared to that F Pace rental I had for a month while my LS was in the shop, the GLC is in another WORLD lol

Then turn it off or change the colors. Simple. Its fun, and adaptable to your personality.

As someone who leases new cars and replaces them every 3 years, why do I care?

 

You can get some really good deals on these used as well. Lightly used off a 3 year leas they go for ~$30k.

 

Or just not spend that ridiculous amount of money on a 4 cylinder/smallish cuv and maybe they won't charge so much for them or at least give it a decent 6 cylinder for that price.