Spent a couple days with a new Mercedes GLC300...
12-29-20, 06:09 AM
#61
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Beater Genesis, I like the sound of that lol
12-29-20, 06:23 AM
#62
totally.
mercedes has that totally nuts 2l i4 amg 45 version of the cla-class that produces 382hp from the factory, so it's not like one is purchasing a 2l turbo that makes 200hp.
even the engine in my m35i makes 301hp stock out of a 2l i4, and mine is tuned with a jb4 unit, so it's making closer to 365hp. a 2l i4 today isn't the 2l i4 of yesterday with increasingly stringent emissions standards and engine displacement caps, it's in both the consumers' and the manufacturers' best interest to build high-performance variants, and even the more pedestrian variants aren't terrible by any means. i think the x2/x1 comes with a 228hp 2l i4 turbo base engine.
mercedes has that totally nuts 2l i4 amg 45 version of the cla-class that produces 382hp from the factory, so it's not like one is purchasing a 2l turbo that makes 200hp.
even the engine in my m35i makes 301hp stock out of a 2l i4, and mine is tuned with a jb4 unit, so it's making closer to 365hp. a 2l i4 today isn't the 2l i4 of yesterday with increasingly stringent emissions standards and engine displacement caps, it's in both the consumers' and the manufacturers' best interest to build high-performance variants, and even the more pedestrian variants aren't terrible by any means. i think the x2/x1 comes with a 228hp 2l i4 turbo base engine.
12-29-20, 06:25 AM
#63
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There's nothing *wrong* with it, I just don't like how the engine feels or sounds. And you absolutely can hear and feel the engine in a GS. Its not an isolation chamber by any means. People like a 4cyl in a car like that because its cheap, yourself included.
12-29-20, 07:04 AM
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Its relative to what you're used to. I can't hear a thing from my 460HP TTV8 either. I had a 4GS, with the 3.5L V6 and I've driven the GS200t. Engine sound and feel is not dramatically muted at all, in fact they have an intake sound generator that creates intake sound. The issue with the 200t is when you get up into the rev bands when you get on the throttle, it sounds and feels buzzy and coarse while the V6 gets smoother the higher you rev it.
This is a characteristic of every small 4 cyl I have ever driven, including the MB 4 cyl in this GLC300.
This is a characteristic of every small 4 cyl I have ever driven, including the MB 4 cyl in this GLC300.
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12-29-20, 09:45 AM
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60+% of these cars are leased, Lexus included. More people don't care than do care. Thats one of the main reasons why I left Lexus, since I lease and clearly despite my thoughts each time that I may keep a car after the lease, I never do. So, I'm missing out on the tech, performance, style, improved quality of German cars by staying with Lexus and not benefiting from the main reason to have a Lexus, long term reliability. I don't even get a residual benefit in the lease because the Germans subsidize their leases, so literally if I was going to lease another LS I could lease a BMW 750 for the same payment. $250 more for an S Class. I just don't see a compelling reason not to go with the Germans.
Thats why Lexus needs to step up their game everywhere else and not just rely on their record for reliability to carry them. To 60% of the customers in the luxury space, including their own customers, long term resale and reliability doesn't mean much.
If you told me I had to keep the next car I got for 10 years, even 5 years no way I would have gotten what I got. I would have kept my Lexus.
Thats why Lexus needs to step up their game everywhere else and not just rely on their record for reliability to carry them. To 60% of the customers in the luxury space, including their own customers, long term resale and reliability doesn't mean much.
If you told me I had to keep the next car I got for 10 years, even 5 years no way I would have gotten what I got. I would have kept my Lexus.
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12-29-20, 09:47 AM
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12-29-20, 09:51 AM
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I know you just got your Mercedes and just moved to the brand....you are obviously excited but have been back to the dealer 3X.....but let’s see what happens when your 3 years are up and what you get then..... I noticed the guy who has a Genesis on here came back to Lexus...so did another member who bought a KIA Stinger.....my brother ditched his Hyundai for a BMW (let’s see how that goes) and my sister went from Lexus to BMW but back to Toyota....my other brother bought the Palisade.
12-29-20, 09:56 AM
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Thats just a back door incentive. That is one of the reasons why MB is in financial trouble. Prob the same with BMW, but to a lesser extent.
12-29-20, 09:57 AM
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And who says Mercedes and BMW are in financial trouble? They've got modern financial crunches everybody is dealing with but they will be fine.
At the end of the day, if I’m going to turn cars every 3 years what I care about is the total cost of the lease, I don’t have to worry about resale value because that’s already factored into the cost of the lease.
12-29-20, 10:09 AM
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It will be interesting to see what you end up getting (or if you just buyout the GX you leased). My last GX was 2012 and I waited for a new one through 2018 and it never came so I went elsewhere. I’m still waiting for a new GX and I still like the LX but that is getting long in the tooth as well. My Durango SRT lease is up in 5 months and I’m not sure what to get either.
12-29-20, 10:51 AM
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Yeah its tough, what do you get if the BOF nature of the GX is what you want?
12-29-20, 11:19 AM
#73
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....or any Lexus or Toyota for that matter
12-29-20, 11:28 AM
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12-29-20, 12:44 PM
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It will be interesting to see what you end up getting (or if you just buyout the GX you leased). My last GX was 2012 and I waited for a new one through 2018 and it never came so I went elsewhere. I’m still waiting for a new GX and I still like the LX but that is getting long in the tooth as well. My Durango SRT lease is up in 5 months and I’m not sure what to get either.