C&D - K900 and Cadenza are dead
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You can be such a killjoy sometimes (not being disrespectful here in any way)....anyone who likes/loves cars should be able to appreciate something high end without a luxury badge slapped on it. My 04 4R with the V8, hydraulic suspension, soft close rear door, and full time 4wd with rear air is sort of like that...Toyota stripped some of that with my 21 model but added nice stuff like optitron and other such stuff..see the joy Steve...the enthusiasm...
G90 in Canada offers a special order V6...but standard V8...never seen anyone do it that way.
G90 in Canada offers a special order V6...but standard V8...never seen anyone do it that way.
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You can be such a killjoy sometimes (not being disrespectful here)....anyone who likes/loves cars should be able to appreciate something high end without a luxury badge slapped on it. My 4R with the V8, hydraulic suspension, and full time 4wd with rear air is sort of like that...see the joy Steve...the enthusiasm...
Perhaps "exclusive" is the wrong word. "Rare" or perhaps "unusual" is a better description. Your 4 Runner is an unusual vehicle, but its not exclusive.
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While I understand the business aspect of not offering what is clearly not selling (or, at least, is not selling in the numbers that the bean-counters would like)...there are also sometimes credible reasons to keep slow-selling vehicles in production for the few who DO want them. For an example, Chrysler kept the Prowler in production even as a very slow-seller, as Ford did with the GT and Mazda with the Millenia....there are other example sas well. One could argue that, partly as a result, Chrysler went bankrupt...yet Ford managed to avoid bankruptcy doing the same thing.
There is also the question if it also involves actually shutting down a plant, or just one of several vehicles produced at that plant. Auto companies need to sell vehicles to stay in business.....even, in some cases, to their own workers......and workers who get laid off at plants, collecting unemployment, generally cannot afford new vehicles...from their own company of any other.
There is also the question if it also involves actually shutting down a plant, or just one of several vehicles produced at that plant. Auto companies need to sell vehicles to stay in business.....even, in some cases, to their own workers......and workers who get laid off at plants, collecting unemployment, generally cannot afford new vehicles...from their own company of any other.
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To be clear, the Ford GT was not a slow selling car, it was/is an extremely expensive supercar. Not comparable with the Mazda Millennia or Plymouth Prowler lol
Its a business, you have to have enough people who want them to make it worth it to sell them here. For 300 people a year, clearly Kia decided it was not worth it.
Its a business, you have to have enough people who want them to make it worth it to sell them here. For 300 people a year, clearly Kia decided it was not worth it.
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Its a business, you have to have enough people who want them to make it worth it to sell them here. For 300 people a year, clearly Kia decided it was not worth it.
We've seen that in the past......automakers drop products on the excuses of "low sales", and then are caught flat-footed when demand for those products rises again.
Gas prices have been very low and stable in the U.S. for several years....but a new administration is starting to take some actions which could threaten that. We can't discuss them at length because of CL's political ban, but they could very easily force gas prices up again shortly.
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I totally appreciate the vehicle, Im just looking through the lens of the industry as a business. Buyers don't look to Kia when they want cars that are exclusive, and something isn't exclusive just because not many people buy them. In order for something to be exclusive, you need to have people who want it and yet can't have it.
Perhaps "exclusive" is the wrong word. "Rare" or perhaps "unusual" is a better description. Your 4 Runner is an unusual vehicle, but its not exclusive.
Perhaps "exclusive" is the wrong word. "Rare" or perhaps "unusual" is a better description. Your 4 Runner is an unusual vehicle, but its not exclusive.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Your 4 Runner is an unusual vehicle, but its not exclusive.
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The Kia K9 was a very special car when it carried the V8 option. The V6 is just meh as lots of upmarket non luxury cars have a 6. The K900 should have kept the V8. But a V8 in a KIA is rare, exclusive and is a bit a sleeper. As for styling, neither the Kia K900 or the G90 look spectacular...
As for the genesis/hyundai/kia twin turbo v8 (in 3.3 and new 3.5 versions), respectfully, if you've not experienced one, you have no idea. And before you say again the LS has more horsepower, again, until you drive one you have no idea. My genesis g90 3.3ttv6 is QUICK. In 'eco' or 'normal' mode the shifts/response isn't as quick as in sport mode, but it will still leave most everything in the dust from a traffic stop. My lc500 is surely quicker, but not right from the start, the lexus 5.0 v8 has to get up some revs to get going. Both awesome engines.
Gas prices have been very low and stable in the U.S. for several years....but a new administration is starting to take some actions which could threaten that. We can't discuss them at length because of CL's political ban, but they could very easily force gas prices up again shortly.
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i think it will be gone within 2 years.
Please don't skirt around the no politics rules by writing about politics and then adding you can't go further.
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Gas prices have been very low and stable in the U.S. for several years....but a new administration is starting to take some actions which could threaten that. We can't discuss them at length because of CL's political ban, but they could very easily force gas prices up again shortly.
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The Kia K900 was heavily considered as part a friend's purchase, it did lack the looks + had more brand stigma, but it was honestly a supple ride that had modern amneties (360 camera, safety systems, CarPlay). It is unfortunate they are discontinuing it but makes sense in a SUV-heavy North American market. The Toyota Land Cruiser sold ~300 units/month as well (at least it is a SUV - faces same issue on someone spending almost $90k on a Toyota like $65k on a Kia).
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Lol have a stable of cars that are discontinued?
To be honest, I LOVED driving the TourX wagon, such a unique look...my wife shot me down however.
The Kia K900 was heavily considered as part a friend's purchase, it did lack the looks + had more brand stigma, but it was honestly a supple ride that had modern amneties (360 camera, safety systems, CarPlay). It is unfortunate they are discontinuing it but makes sense in a SUV-heavy North American market. The Toyota Land Cruiser sold ~300 units/month as well (at least it is a SUV - faces same issue on someone spending almost $90k on a Toyota like $65k on a Kia).
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The Kia K900 was heavily considered as part a friend's purchase, it did lack the looks + had more brand stigma, but it was honestly a supple ride that had modern amneties (360 camera, safety systems, CarPlay). It is unfortunate they are discontinuing it but makes sense in a SUV-heavy North American market. The Toyota Land Cruiser sold ~300 units/month as well (at least it is a SUV - faces same issue on someone spending almost $90k on a Toyota like $65k on a Kia).
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