....but he started it...lol.

Personal attack was not intended, I was just gaslighted. I’ll be careful in the future.

 

I hear you. I think it’s for a true Lexus and (Japanese) aficionado. It may not be as good as a German car or something else, but some people really like the Lexus brand.

 

I think the M2CS will sell more because of its price point. As price gets higher like the M5CS there will be less buyers. I agree with you though, I’m not sure the M5CS will sell well but we will have to wait and see.

 

I agree with the small percentage that want the RCF track, w/ a certain spec, just like the small percentage that will buy the M5CS no matter the price. These are the preorder, first allocation guys who will pay over MSRP snd just have to have it ASAP.

let’s remove those people from the equation bc I don’t think it’s that many. I wonder the demand when those people are subtracted.

The RCF track now can be had for 10-15% off bc of tapering demand and other options available at that price point, like a comparable Porsche or BMW. I predict BMW will find it tough to get rid of all the M5CS at $150k (I won’t beat this point to death again), for the same reason and it will be discounted.

On another note, I’ve read Porsche is irritating in that they artificially create a small supply to boost demand unlike other manufacturers.

and I’ll just say that German brands are not better than Lexus lol. I would take a Lexus built bmw any day, Lexus just doesn’t do the ***** out performance cars like the Germans. If they did there’d be no competition.

 

It's not meant to "sell well".

The M2 CS will obviously sell more purely on account that it's nearly half the cost.

 

I get that it isn’t supposed to sell well as in volume, I just think there will be a number of these unsold given the price point but maybe I will be wrong and maybe the demand will be greater. They didn’t say how many they plan to produce so that could be a factor too. Heck I didn’t think there would be a market for a $100k Dodge Durango but there are a number of these things ordered at MSRP and some over like you mentioned on the RC-F TE. I question how big that market is too but maybe they sell all 2,000 of them, maybe not, we will have to wait and see but my gut is they won’t.

 

Well, the bigger factor than demand is how many are actually produced. BMW may not even make as many M5 CS as the RC-F Track Edition. And that's been my point about these one-offs; they're not meant to sell many at all, so it makes no sense to contextualize them as if they are.

In the case of the RC-F Track Edition - I'm often highly critical of the stupid things Lexus does, but one area in which they've rarely been stupid is the marketplace. Clearly they knew the USA market for the Track Edition was under 50 units at the MSRP they set, but they decided on bringing in 50 anyway likely for marketing purposes (similar to why they allocated far more LFAs to the USA market than demand, despite that in all other markets, demand exceeded supply - they wanted the marketing impact in the USA). And as enthusiasts, we should be happy that TMC brought the Track Edition to market, regardless of their reasons for doing so. I'm sure the buyers who wound up getting one for under MSRP are happy about it, too.

 

I'm shopping for a new car at this price point. I agree with Tom44, at $150k, I'm not looking at a BMW, regardless of how much carbon fiber it boasts. At that price, it's Porsche all day long. I'd have one now, but the new 992s are impossible to find.

 

Comparing 992 to M5 is apples to oranges.

M5 is a sedan that can be used for a family of 4 without compromise, has storage space inside and a huge trunk.

992 doesn’t even have good cupholders let alone transporting kids on a regular basis. Its louder, has no interior storage and small frunk. Getting in and out of it is also not for everyone especially if you plan to daily it.

992 is superior car dynamically but is for a different demographic and/or purpose.
M5cs is for a BMW fan that probably already has a 911 Turbo S for weekends and this would the daily sport sedan.

 

agreed to a certain extent with the apples to oranges analogy.

it is a similar demographic in that it’s someone spending that kind of money, but I would argue that a 992 buyer that already has a 992 will buy a panamera or a Macan/cayenne for the family/daily, not a M5CS.

M5CS will only be for BMW fanboys. The number of fanboys out there willing to drop $150k for a bimmer is debatable.

 

Most Porsche owners are BMW fanboys current or past - im one of them.
Panamera can’t match M5 performance and M5 is for ppl that hate SUVs.

 

yeah let’s see what happens. I just gave my opinion in this thread as did others, it’s a speculation at this point as to demand for this car.

so are you considering buying an m5CS?

 

No - its out of my price range for a daily. I would be more inclined to get new M3 AWD or M550i once my lease expires on X3 M40i, depending on lease programs etc.

I have no use for M5cs as a weekend car as I have another car I’m pursuing as a replacement for that purpose.

 

And even the Panamera to M5 CS is a bad comparison. The target market isn't cross-shopping these. The target market for the M5 CS would already have taken the M5 over the Panamera even if they were. So again, it makes absolutely zero sense to contextualize the discussion of the car in that manner.

 

im just curious, how do you think we should contextualize the discussion of the M5CS?

By your comments, we can’t do it by price, we can’t do it by comparing other fast sedans, we can’t do it by comparing marketability of the brand? Seems like we just can’t do it at all.

I can’t speak for everyone, but I do like having a comparison bc it serves as a reference point in order to better understand the car.

I just get the sense that you’re not really interested in anyone else’s opinion. Honestly man, I’m not trying to get personal, I am legitimately curious, so I hope you don’t take this as an attack and there’s no disrespect intended.

I do feel like there’s a certain courtesy that one affords someone in their opinions, even if their thinking differs from yours. Especially on a car forum where it’s less a debate, more a “well what do you think about this car”?