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Old 01-27-21, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
I always go with combined legroom instead of only rear leg room, because that depends on how far back the fronts seat is reclined. Alex on Autos does the same thing.
But some cars...the seat backs might go farther back vs other cars.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
The ES has had more legroom since it's 5th generation. This is nothing new

2017 LS460
Rear leg room 35.8 in.

2020 LS500
Rear leg room 38.9 "

2012 ES350
Rear leg room 35.9 in.

2017 ES350
Rear leg room 40.0 in.

2020 ES350
Rear leg room 39.2 in.
I sat in both back to back - ES has much more space.
The headroom in the LS is nonexistent also.
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Lack of the effortless V8 kills the character of the car. I know this is a dead beaten horse at this point but what Lexus did is unforgivable.
LOL don't blame Lexus for Toyota's mistakes

The only thing holding Lexus back, is Toyota
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Old 01-27-21, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
LOL don't blame Lexus for Toyota's mistakes

The only thing holding Lexus back, is Toyota
Can we really blame Toyota when the LS has almost zero Toyota components? Almost everything about the car is bespoke to the Lexus brand.
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What he means is Toyota corporate holds Lexus back
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Old 01-27-21, 04:01 PM
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What he means is Toyota corporate holds Lexus back
I know what he meant, but what I'm saying is that Toyota corporate clearly didn't cheap out developing this car as a Lexus, unlike say an ES or RX. The LS certainly is no bean counter vehicle. It's just that the choices that went into it are questionable from a consumer perspective.

Where Toyota holds Lexus back is their refusal to update half the Lexus lineup. That's not the issue with the LS.
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I would agree with that...
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Originally Posted by Motorola
I know what he meant, but what I'm saying is that Toyota corporate clearly didn't cheap out developing this car as a Lexus, unlike say an ES or RX. The LS certainly is no bean counter vehicle. It's just that the choices that went into it are questionable from a consumer perspective.

Where Toyota holds Lexus back is their refusal to update half the Lexus lineup. That's not the issue with the LS.
Forum moderator Yamae in the LS400 forum shared some insight about how the LS500 really is badly cost reduced relative to earlier generations.
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Old 01-27-21, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sdls
Forum moderator Yamae in the LS400 forum shared some insight about how the LS500 really is badly cost reduced relative to earlier generations.
What unibody- Lexus product isn't? I say unibody because the ladder-frame LX and GX seem to have kept much of their build-solidness....and even the LX sets to be using some thinner/lighter interior parts.
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Originally Posted by sdls
Forum moderator Yamae in the LS400 forum shared some insight about how the LS500 really is badly cost reduced relative to earlier generations.
What are some of the main points?
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
What are some of the main points?
Exchange rates over time JPY/USD, cost cutting pressures, frustrated engineering teams.
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Originally Posted by sdls
Exchange rates over time JPY/USD, cost cutting pressures, frustrated engineering teams.
Do you remember the thread? Would be interesting to read. Hard to believe the new model is cost cut as there is so much new technology in every new LS model generation.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
What unibody- Lexus product isn't? I say unibody because the ladder-frame LX and GX seem to have kept much of their build-solidness....and even the LX sets to be using some thinner/lighter interior parts.
it’s across the board honestly. If the flagship is a veneer of what it used to be, you can imagine that the whole lineup below is going to have it even worse.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Do you remember the thread? Would be interesting to read. Hard to believe the new model is cost cut as there is so much new technology in every new LS model generation.
I can’t find the big one since I’m browsing on my phone. Here’s one thread where he discusses LS430 vs LS400
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls-...l#post10959791
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Originally Posted by sdls
I can’t find the big one since I’m browsing on my phone. Here’s one thread where he discusses LS430 vs LS400
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls-...l#post10959791
It would be interesting to read the argument of the LS500 being cost cut prior to a generation or multi generations before.
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