GM to drop ICEs by 2035
01-29-21, 07:37 PM
#46
The Bolt interior looks ok, but is cheap as cheap can be - truly unforgivable at a 40k sticker. I looked closely at them earlier this month, but passed even at less than 50 cents on the dollar after incentives.
01-29-21, 07:38 PM
#47
Good article. The article even states that California has all the power it needs (article was from 2017 so i'm sure the EV uptake will change the equation). The lunacy of the rolling blackouts isn't that the system is stressed...its because they have to turn off the powerplants in case it causes a fire in severe heat. Its not a capability issue but a safety issue where i live and we only had the blackouts for a week. I envision most solar installations will get a battery backup in the future as those prices will continue to keep dropping. I have no doubt, most regions in the US will have no issues building more infrastructure if there is a revenue opportunity. Its extremely easy to get funded with a guaranteed revenue stream for the taking.
01-29-21, 07:58 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
the overcapacity is so bad plants get shut down, you cant just turn on a plant when the power dips down especially one thats been idled for months. So despite a theoretical overcapacity its unusable when its needed.
01-30-21, 07:23 AM
#50
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01-30-21, 07:39 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
or how about having a balanced power grid instead of going this route. Batteries are not going to fix a blackout problem, how come other states are fine? Because their's are balanced.
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01-30-21, 09:02 AM
#56
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01-30-21, 09:44 AM
#57
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wow, lots of cynicism and #fail in this thread. 
california has some 'unique' problems, but i do believe they will solve them, pretty easily, over time. solar on homes and buildings for one thing makes a GIANT difference as adoption goes up and reduces load on the grid and can even feed electricity back onto the grid. that's just one solution. i think you're too locked into traditional 'power plant' and grid thinking.
if you think they haven't thought about it then i think you're giving a massive corporation with tons of incredibly smart people way too little credit. do i think gm always makes great decisions? not always know, but i think it's made a ton of smart ones since the bankruptcy.
cynicism noted, but i think you're right. i think mary barra is level headed, very smart, and very realistic about the world as it is. more models will be built in china, for that market and exported back to the u.s. and elsewhere for example. if apple can do it, why not gm?
i'm pretty sure my next car purchase will be electric, but not any time soon.
you see rolling blackouts when demand is high. Plug every car in at night and that increases demand. Reservoirs fill up at night so they can meet demand during the day. It’s not like there is lots of free electricity sitting around at night that doesn’t get used.
you are correct. They will indeed update the grid but it’s not as simple as just doing it especially in California with all the regulations and red tape. It’s going to cost huge sums and take a long time. There is not enough electricity currently to handle all cars converting to EV. So you are talking about HUGE infrastructure costs. New dams in California? More water in Lake Mead. New coal plants, oh ya can’t build those. New nuclear plants. No body wants those any more. So more natural gas plants. Again can’t build those as they pollute so it will have to be dams
you are correct. They will indeed update the grid but it’s not as simple as just doing it especially in California with all the regulations and red tape. It’s going to cost huge sums and take a long time. There is not enough electricity currently to handle all cars converting to EV. So you are talking about HUGE infrastructure costs. New dams in California? More water in Lake Mead. New coal plants, oh ya can’t build those. New nuclear plants. No body wants those any more. So more natural gas plants. Again can’t build those as they pollute so it will have to be dams
I don’t think people even at the top of GM are giving much thought as to where all the energy is going to come from to run all these cars.
cynicism noted, but i think you're right. i think mary barra is level headed, very smart, and very realistic about the world as it is. more models will be built in china, for that market and exported back to the u.s. and elsewhere for example. if apple can do it, why not gm?
i'm pretty sure my next car purchase will be electric, but not any time soon.
01-30-21, 10:08 AM
#58
It's not just California. There are many countries that are adopting this timeline. You are right. If the opportunity for revenue is there, someone will take advantage of the opportunity. This is a wealth shift from oil to utilities and you can be damn sure the utilities are salivating to take advantage of this. This shift to EV and autonomous auto will bring in a massive structural change to our transportation ecosystem for sure.
someone on here posted most Tesla’s run on solar in Cali. Nothing could be further from the truth. It may be someone In the press said so but it’s far from true.
a person can lay I. The sun all day and with a tiny bit of spf can keep from burning. There is NO energy in that. It’s not captuarable. It’s why not a single solar company exists without tax breaks and grants. It’s not economical on. A grand scale. Too much energy gets lost in the grid.
GM is virtue signalling to placate the enviros who have bought the lie hook line and sinker that the world can exist as we want it to without Oil and Gas. It’s shocking at how uneducated folks are on energy and what it takes to run the world
a Windmill has a net energy loss of 7% over its life span. They are only being used as they are heavily a subsidized via carbon credits and tax breaks. If they were efficient every farmer in America would have one. Think about that for a moment.
the logic has long left us
01-30-21, 10:17 AM
#59
that’s a lie to keep the population from panicking. There is not an abundance of electricity. If there were it would be cheaper. Plants can’t handle the demand at peak hours as they are too small. A 4 cylinder can’t pull a heavy load up the hill it’s needs more cylinders or more capacity.
overheating happens when the system is stressed. They need more plants that produce more electricity and to think every vehicle trucks included can just switch to electricity without building many more plants is simply a lack of understanding of energy
01-30-21, 10:24 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by winterturb
utilities transmit energy. Who’s going to produce it? If you think wind and solar good luck as we were there 180 years ago and things moved slowly. If you still want your Amazon package deceivers to your door overnight they best come up with a fuel replacement fast and that has not happened.
someone on here posted most Tesla’s run on solar in Cali. Nothing could be further from the truth. It may be someone In the press said so but it’s far from true.
a person can lay I. The sun all day and with a tiny bit of spf can keep from burning. There is NO energy in that. It’s not captuarable. It’s why not a single solar company exists without tax breaks and grants. It’s not economical on. A grand scale. Too much energy gets lost in the grid.
GM is virtue signalling to placate the enviros who have bought the lie hook line and sinker that the world can exist as we want it to without Oil and Gas. It’s shocking at how uneducated folks are on energy and what it takes to run the world
a Windmill has a net energy loss of 7% over its life span. They are only being used as they are heavily a subsidized via carbon credits and tax breaks. If they were efficient every farmer in America would have one. Think about that for a moment.
the logic has long left us
someone on here posted most Tesla’s run on solar in Cali. Nothing could be further from the truth. It may be someone In the press said so but it’s far from true.
a person can lay I. The sun all day and with a tiny bit of spf can keep from burning. There is NO energy in that. It’s not captuarable. It’s why not a single solar company exists without tax breaks and grants. It’s not economical on. A grand scale. Too much energy gets lost in the grid.
GM is virtue signalling to placate the enviros who have bought the lie hook line and sinker that the world can exist as we want it to without Oil and Gas. It’s shocking at how uneducated folks are on energy and what it takes to run the world
a Windmill has a net energy loss of 7% over its life span. They are only being used as they are heavily a subsidized via carbon credits and tax breaks. If they were efficient every farmer in America would have one. Think about that for a moment.
the logic has long left us