Why not? We give us less carbon year after year, at least the past several.

Cars are cleaner than ever today.

Drilling for lithium and disposing of old batteries, that’s not great for the environment either.

 

ok folks, let's back up the truck a few miles.

this thread is about the SPECULATIVE article that lexus is going full electric. lexus has not said that. EVEN IF THEY DID, it would take a decade to roll out.

as has been speculated here, it's more likely lexus will make everything a hybrid first while rolling out initial EV models. sounds good.​​​​​​

some comments on some of the posts here though.

it seems you're looking firmly in the rear view mirror. this site already shows 300,000 charging points, TODAY.
PlugShare - EV Charging Station Map - Find a place to charge your car!

charging can also (more easily) be added at work locations, so maybe for those who can't charge at home, they'll charge at work. and as charging becomes faster and more widely available, it will be no different and potentially better than filling with gas today.

that's TODAY... look at how quickly things are evolving. in 5 years we'll probably have LOTS of 300-500mi. EV range cars that can charge quickly. that will change the dynamics a lot.

the dynamics of ALL driving are changing. more people working from home, more uber, we may have self-driving taxis in a few years which will make owning a car for many less and less necessary particularly in crowded cities.

here's another thought, DON'T charge it at home... maybe the cars can self-drive to a charging location (walmart parking lot at night?), charge, and come back in the morning.

your negativity is hindering your ability to see possibilities.

ah, more negativity. just because model 3/Y are not very sound proofed (today), doesn't mean all EVs have to be noisy. the models S/X have steadily been improved in noise reduction but obviously they cost more.

maybe there will be breakthroughs in noise reduction / noise cancelation without the need for heavy insulation.

 

We shall see how this will work - right now EVs are a niche.

In suburbs and other spread out areas it will be much easier than a place like NYC.
Also - I can’t wait to see what it will cost to pay to charge your EV. There is no free lunch, someone will need to pay for the cost of building up the network, maintenance and development of a strong power grid.

 

If we divert even a small amount of the total resources from oil infrastructure to building sustainable systems we will be way ahead. I swear some people think gasoline is created using a magic spell, in reality it is unbelievably complex and resource intensive.

 

A bunch of car makers are making similar electric claims, but its mostly hot air. The bottom line is the consumers will determine whether Lexus and other ca makers go full electric or not.

 

LOL someone will definitely take your parking spot by that time - we are still talking about NYC right? Don’t forget about alternate side parking and other rules.

I believe in EVs - I’m just realistic in terms of timetable that it will take things to change.

 

I have no idea what Toyota and Lexus are really planning, they have been sending mixed messages to put it kindly. Signs point to them "electrifying" everything which is code for hybrids with software tricks to try and make you think the vehicle is RWD. In other words say goodbye to all dedicated RWD platforms or even mechanical AWD/4WD systems.

Toyota needs to pick a strategy and go 100% in. If they think hydrogen is it, then go for it. Waffling will make them masters of none.

 

If you build out more infrastructure and more people use it, the cost doesn't go up because the revenue is already up from the added usage. Even in super expensive California (maybe one of the highest electricity rates in the nation), a Supercharger is still about half as expensive as gasoline on a per mile basis. If you charge at home, its less than 20% of the rate of gasoline. Economics will dictate the buildout of infrastructure...if the opportunity is there, the utilities will get the funding to execute the buildout.

 

Great news for TMC.
I always knew TMC were electrifying; electrification is the way to the future.

TMC almost ceased development of ICEV's by badge engineering: Yaris, 86, Supra, and 5GS etc - to focus both money & manpower on very costly electrification.

Hybrids, plug-ins and hydrogen are only bridging designs.

Some geographical locations will be faster than others, but in time, new renewable energy power stations together with vehicle charging outlets will be built.

Back in the 90's when digital cameras came, there were always sceptic Kodak film diehards.
Let's hope that EV sceptics & ICEV diehards can gradually find resolve.

Sure it will take them some years to play catch up, but great to have a wide choice of real auto manufacturers design & manufacture a real BEV, rather than forcing early adopters into Tesla which is really only a battery & electric motor pioneer producing vehicles with such questionable design & build.

 

Exactly! Ridiculous lol

Like Ive said before, the free market will work here. Gas Stations make NOTHING on the sale of fuel. Its very, very little. They make money on repair shops and carwashes and stores, but the fuel very little. Gas station owners will be THRILLED to have another revenue stream at a gas station.

 

This is another fallacy. These batteries are not disposed of, the materials are too valuable. They are recycled and used to make new batteries.

 

You got forced into buying a Tesla?? I enjoy reading comments like this from folks that are experts on all things Tesla.

 

So in 10 years a big bulky worn out POS Tesla battery will be recycled into some small new technological marvel that’s light years ahead of it (technology progress according to you and most pro-EVers here)? I don’t really see that happening.

And mining for lithium is a real thing.

 

You should do some research into how recycling works. Absolutely hybrid and EV batteries are recycled. That doesn’t mean the old batteries are reused lol. The batteries are broken down and their raw materials are recycled and used to make new batteries.

When you recycle a milk jug, they don’t clean it and fill it up with milk and put it back on the shelf LOL

 

Explain why recycling batteries is impossible but recycling the 100's of elements and compounds in a petrol car is not a problem. Same for mining why is extracting minerals that go into batteries horrible but everything that goes into your car is not.