FYI, Tesla's Co Founder is launching a startup company that will recycle EV batteries. This is a huge business, these batteries are way too valuable to be in landfills

 

"Literally" - due to lack of choice.

 

There are plenty of other EVs on the market.

 

A lot of the cost of gas at the pump is taxes and gas stations do make money. The equipment for the pump and underground storage was a large investment which needs ongoing maintenance and is inspected by the state at least in NY.

Gas stations are a business like anything else - the ones not doing well are mostly due to poor business practices and financial mis-management.

The margins are much higher on mechanic shop/store etc at gas station but bulk of revenue and profit is generated by the sale of gas.

The ONLY way i see this working is if Gas prices go up significantly which would make EVs much cheaper to run. If government regulations go that way then I can see charging stations everywhere and also charging $35-50 for full charge. Even with that - governments will have to give out a lot of $$$ to make these business setup chargers and Utility companies to upgrade.

 

I know how recycling works, not just with milk jugs. The old batteries are usually burned only to recover a tiny fraction of usable material (Cobalt, copper, nickel) which sounds pretty futile to me especially on a grand scale.

Some of you guys are leaving out lots of cons here.

In 10 years I’ll be giving lots of you “I told you sos.”

All this stuff is more than 10-15 years away.

 

I will start believing the hype when i see the power grid in NY getting significant investment.
As of now - power goes out if its too hot in the summer or if its too windy and some trees fall in the neighborhood.

I’m so supposed to be confident ConEd can power millions of cars on a 95 degree day in August 😂

 

lol... why would they go in 100% with single powertrain? That makes no sense at all. Biggest and most profitable manufacturer is biggest and most profitable manufacturer because it globally caters to wide range of audiences... They will have a mix of petrol, full hybrid, diesel, phev and bev + fcev for a long time to come. Depending on market, mix will be different.

 

not really good options, unless you dont plan long trips or to charge it on highway.

Which is fine by me. Options are coming, and they are coming fast... if you want to make it your first vehicle, it should be a Tesla though.

 

100% agree - always great to have options and let free market decide unfortunately politics and not free markets are making these changes. As with most things when Govt takes control of the outcome- it usually is not a happy story.

 

Another valid point. California can’t even keep its lights on, does no one remember the recent brownouts? When we lived there in LA the grid was always slammed according to the news.

 

honestly, if i get govt discount lottery for EV this year, which is more than $11k here, I would be stupid not to buy M3P. Yes, there are shortfalls to that car, but for the price, you cant beat it.

 

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Another valid point. California can’t even keep its lights on, does no one remember the recent brownouts? When we lived there in LA the grid was always slammed according to the news.

I strongly agree with both RNM and AJT. Talk is a lot cheaper than action.

 

How many clients have you represented in the purchase of a gas station? We've represented 2. Gas stations 100% unequivocally make the bulk of their profit from sales of items other than fuel. Most have agreements with fuel suppliers where those fuel suppliers make the bulk of the revenue from fuel sales, and most operators of fuel stations actually dont even own the land or the station at all, they just have a license to operate it and pay the owner a use fee (kind of like sharecropping). Some independent fuel stations that are unbranded make more from fuel because they source their supply themselves and cut out the big fuel service conglomerate, but 99% of the big name stations operate this way, net profit is about 3 cents per gallon of gas.

Sorry, but you are just not correct here. Any gas station owner would welcome the addition of electric chargers if it would make them money. Unlike fuel which invoilves an extremely expesnive distributor who takes all the revenue, EV charging stations wont require that and longer wait times mean they can sell food and stuff from a store, etc.

Theres even the possibility that a third party could establish EV chargers and simply rent from the owner or operator of the station. This is common with gas station carwashes, someone else owns and operates the carwash equipment and they just lease the tunnel from the station.

Well you should go work for all of these carmakers, because they all mysteriously are setting similar dates that are 15-20 years from now.

 

you're still not thinking outside the box... self-driving car doesn't need to park at the house... after charging at night elsewhere, you summon it with your phone, it drives up, you get in and off you go.

not sure what you're reading, there was no news. lexus puts out a couple of images for new styling, said NOTHING about electric vehicles, only jalopnik is speculating it could mean lexus is going all ev.

yup, so they really don't care what 'fuel' is on the forecourt. it's a bit like movie theaters who make almost nothing from ticket sales.

 

I would have to agree with jalopnik's speculation.