LC F, IS F, LS F models soon?
02-16-21, 11:16 AM
#76
Lexus Test Driver
02-16-21, 06:23 PM
#79
Pit Crew
02-16-21, 11:34 PM
#80
Pole Position
LS nameplate will remain and the LS will stay a sedan. It just won't be the Lexus Flagship. De facto Flagship will become an uber SUV.
Instead the LS will become a full fledged Panamera killer ie a hyperstylish incredibly well handling 4 door Grand Coupe in the vein of the AMG GT4, Audi S7, BMW 8 Gran Coupe and of course the Porsche Panamera.
Essentially, it will move into the middle zone in between the previous Lexus GS and current LS : half a size larger than the GS, probably keep the same exterior dimensions and interior space as the current 5LS since current LS is already half size smaller than the German Flagships like 7/S/A8 but with significantly upgraded handling, suspension, chassis and styling. Basically German midsize sedan interior space with LC styling/build quality/luxury and LS money. Next Gen IS will increase half a size to straddle both current IS and GS market ie RWD sports sedan market while FWD based ES will become the huge but affordable spacious people carrier sedan with no performance pretentions.
So the F-Sport models/F cars that Lexus hints at and online speculation is about will be, in the near future :
IS300, IS350 F-Sport, IS500 F-Sport (NA V8 or TTV6)
LC500, LC500h, LC650 F-Sport (either a boosted V8 or a performance hybrid with a NA V8/boosted V6 same as the Panamera Performance Hybrid)
LS500, LS500h, LS650 F-Sport (share powertrain with LC650 F-Sport)
Going forwards, F-Sport will always connote a power bump so base engine models of each line ie IS, LS and LC will not be F-Sports. An ISF may well have the LC/LS650 powertrain.
People who yearn for the soft riding super spacious LS of old will just have to move on to another nameplate or settle for the new generation ES.
Instead the LS will become a full fledged Panamera killer ie a hyperstylish incredibly well handling 4 door Grand Coupe in the vein of the AMG GT4, Audi S7, BMW 8 Gran Coupe and of course the Porsche Panamera.
Essentially, it will move into the middle zone in between the previous Lexus GS and current LS : half a size larger than the GS, probably keep the same exterior dimensions and interior space as the current 5LS since current LS is already half size smaller than the German Flagships like 7/S/A8 but with significantly upgraded handling, suspension, chassis and styling. Basically German midsize sedan interior space with LC styling/build quality/luxury and LS money. Next Gen IS will increase half a size to straddle both current IS and GS market ie RWD sports sedan market while FWD based ES will become the huge but affordable spacious people carrier sedan with no performance pretentions.
So the F-Sport models/F cars that Lexus hints at and online speculation is about will be, in the near future :
IS300, IS350 F-Sport, IS500 F-Sport (NA V8 or TTV6)
LC500, LC500h, LC650 F-Sport (either a boosted V8 or a performance hybrid with a NA V8/boosted V6 same as the Panamera Performance Hybrid)
LS500, LS500h, LS650 F-Sport (share powertrain with LC650 F-Sport)
Going forwards, F-Sport will always connote a power bump so base engine models of each line ie IS, LS and LC will not be F-Sports. An ISF may well have the LC/LS650 powertrain.
People who yearn for the soft riding super spacious LS of old will just have to move on to another nameplate or settle for the new generation ES.
Last edited by natnut; 02-17-21 at 11:06 AM.
02-17-21, 02:17 AM
#81
02-17-21, 02:23 AM
#82
02-17-21, 08:19 AM
#83
LS nameplate will remain and the LS will stay a sedan. It just won't be the Lexus Flagship. De facto Flagship will become an uber SUV.
Instead the LS will become a full fledged Panamera killer ie a hyperstylish incredibly well handling 4 door Grand Coupe in the vein of the AMG GT4, Audi S7, BMW 8 Gran Coupe and of course the Porsche Panamera.
Essentially, it will move into the middle zone in between the previous Lexus GS and current LS : half a size larger than the GS, probably keep the same exterior dimensions and interior space as the current 5LS since current LS is already half size smaller than the German Flagships like 7/S/A7 but with significantly upgraded handling, suspension, chassis and styling. Basically German midsize sedan interior space with LC styling/build quality/luxury and LS money. Next Gen IS will increase half a size to straddle both current IS and GS market ie RWD sports sedan market while FWD based ES will become the huge but affordable spacious people carrier sedan with no performance pretentions.
So the F-Sport models/F cars that Lexus hints at and online speculation is about will be, in the near future :
IS300, IS350 F-Sport, IS500 F-Sport (NA V8 or TTV6)
LC500, LC500h, LC650 F-Sport (either a boosted V8 or a performance hybrid with a NA V8/boosted V6 same as the Panamera Performance Hybrid)
LS500, LS500h, LS650 F-Sport (share powertrain with LC650 F-Sport)
Going forwards, F-Sport will always connote a power bump so base engine models of each line ie IS, LS and LC will not be F-Sports. An ISF may well have the LC/LS650 powertrain.
People who yearn for the soft riding super spacious LS of old will just have to move on to another nameplate or settle for the new generation ES.
Instead the LS will become a full fledged Panamera killer ie a hyperstylish incredibly well handling 4 door Grand Coupe in the vein of the AMG GT4, Audi S7, BMW 8 Gran Coupe and of course the Porsche Panamera.
Essentially, it will move into the middle zone in between the previous Lexus GS and current LS : half a size larger than the GS, probably keep the same exterior dimensions and interior space as the current 5LS since current LS is already half size smaller than the German Flagships like 7/S/A7 but with significantly upgraded handling, suspension, chassis and styling. Basically German midsize sedan interior space with LC styling/build quality/luxury and LS money. Next Gen IS will increase half a size to straddle both current IS and GS market ie RWD sports sedan market while FWD based ES will become the huge but affordable spacious people carrier sedan with no performance pretentions.
So the F-Sport models/F cars that Lexus hints at and online speculation is about will be, in the near future :
IS300, IS350 F-Sport, IS500 F-Sport (NA V8 or TTV6)
LC500, LC500h, LC650 F-Sport (either a boosted V8 or a performance hybrid with a NA V8/boosted V6 same as the Panamera Performance Hybrid)
LS500, LS500h, LS650 F-Sport (share powertrain with LC650 F-Sport)
Going forwards, F-Sport will always connote a power bump so base engine models of each line ie IS, LS and LC will not be F-Sports. An ISF may well have the LC/LS650 powertrain.
People who yearn for the soft riding super spacious LS of old will just have to move on to another nameplate or settle for the new generation ES.
02-17-21, 08:32 AM
#84
Lexus Champion
LS nameplate will remain and the LS will stay a sedan. It just won't be the Lexus Flagship. De facto Flagship will become an uber SUV.
Instead the LS will become a full fledged Panamera killer ie a hyperstylish incredibly well handling 4 door Grand Coupe in the vein of the AMG GT4, Audi S7, BMW 8 Gran Coupe and of course the Porsche Panamera.
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People who yearn for the soft riding super spacious LS of old will just have to move on to another nameplate or settle for the new generation ES.
Instead the LS will become a full fledged Panamera killer ie a hyperstylish incredibly well handling 4 door Grand Coupe in the vein of the AMG GT4, Audi S7, BMW 8 Gran Coupe and of course the Porsche Panamera.
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People who yearn for the soft riding super spacious LS of old will just have to move on to another nameplate or settle for the new generation ES.
02-18-21, 12:05 PM
#85
Advanced
I just saw the Kirk Krefels Video about the next FSport model with the 5L v8 cover.
It makes sense that the IS will receive it. And at this point, we can also believe that a TTv6 LCF is ready to come.
We can anticipate all we want. Every option (LSF, RXF, LCF, NXF... will be nice). I'm looking forward to this car season.
Just hope the recent earthquake will not throw everything back.
It makes sense that the IS will receive it. And at this point, we can also believe that a TTv6 LCF is ready to come.
We can anticipate all we want. Every option (LSF, RXF, LCF, NXF... will be nice). I'm looking forward to this car season.
Just hope the recent earthquake will not throw everything back.
02-18-21, 12:19 PM
#86
Lexus Fanatic
Essentially, it will move into the middle zone in between the previous Lexus GS and current LS : half a size larger than the GS, probably keep the same exterior dimensions and interior space as the current 5LS since current LS is already half size smaller than the German Flagships like 7/S/A8
Lengths:
LS500: 206.1
S560: 206.9
7 Series: 207.4
A8 208.7
but with significantly upgraded handling, suspension, chassis and styling.
02-18-21, 12:46 PM
#87
Pole Position
This is not correct. The LS500 is almost exactly the same size as the German flagships.
Lengths:
LS500: 206.1
S560: 206.9
7 Series: 207.4
A8 208.7
Seeing that they softened the LS with the refresh, I doubt this. My guess is they make a retreat into a more typical flagship design with the 6LS.
Lengths:
LS500: 206.1
S560: 206.9
7 Series: 207.4
A8 208.7
Seeing that they softened the LS with the refresh, I doubt this. My guess is they make a retreat into a more typical flagship design with the 6LS.
02-18-21, 01:35 PM
#88
Lexus Fanatic
02-19-21, 11:14 AM
#90
Pole Position