Future Tundra
09-11-21, 02:40 PM
#301
Racer
Thread Starter
Go look at the GM 3.0 inline six diesel in the Escalade, GMC Yukon, 1500 & Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban & 1500. You can stand next to the front & not be able to tell it’s a diesel. There is zero smell.
No one is comparing HD trucks either. Toyota doesn’t make a HD truck or a diesel. The 1500 class diesels are not $10,000 extra.
No one is comparing HD trucks either. Toyota doesn’t make a HD truck or a diesel. The 1500 class diesels are not $10,000 extra.
09-11-21, 02:45 PM
#302
Lexus Fanatic
The DEF fluid I would get used to, but still yeah. Someone said diesels are smelly, that's just not true anymore (though I've heard using diesel gas pumps is gross). But I wouldn't want all the EPA crap behind it just waiting to break if it's all so complex and would be a PITA long-term. I know plenty about diesels but I don't know too much about the emissions stuff on these trucks.
Go look at the GM 3.0 inline six diesel in the Escalade, GMC Yukon, 1500 & Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban & 1500. You can stand next to the front & not be able to tell it’s a diesel. There is zero smell.
No one is comparing HD trucks either. Toyota doesn’t make a HD truck or a diesel. The 1500 class diesels are not $10,000 extra.
No one is comparing HD trucks either. Toyota doesn’t make a HD truck or a diesel. The 1500 class diesels are not $10,000 extra.
09-11-21, 02:57 PM
#303
Racer
Thread Starter
Tell that to my lemon law attorney 
Ford dropped their F-150 3.0 diesel & Ram’s VM Motori 3.0 diesel is pure garbage. That’s why I don’t own one anymore. The emission systems break, they malfunction quite often & sometimes catch fire. The diesel particulate filters commonly plug up prior to 100,000 & cost THOUSANDS to replace. The Toyota diesels that are not available in the USA are like gold. I like the GM 3.0 diesel, but it hasn’t been out long enough to know the problem areas yet. I drove one & it will smoke the rear tires & it’s unbelievably quiet. There is a shop in San Antonio called Diesel Toys & he puts in actual Toyota Diesel engines into Tacomas, Tundras, Land Cruisers, etc. They are crazy expensive, but well made.
Ford dropped their F-150 3.0 diesel & Ram’s VM Motori 3.0 diesel is pure garbage. That’s why I don’t own one anymore. The emission systems break, they malfunction quite often & sometimes catch fire. The diesel particulate filters commonly plug up prior to 100,000 & cost THOUSANDS to replace. The Toyota diesels that are not available in the USA are like gold. I like the GM 3.0 diesel, but it hasn’t been out long enough to know the problem areas yet. I drove one & it will smoke the rear tires & it’s unbelievably quiet. There is a shop in San Antonio called Diesel Toys & he puts in actual Toyota Diesel engines into Tacomas, Tundras, Land Cruisers, etc. They are crazy expensive, but well made.
09-11-21, 03:37 PM
#304
Pole Position
Diesels have improved over the decades, and diesel fuel quality has improved in the last couple of years due to federal regulations. Still, compared side-to-side with their gasoline counterparts, I would only opt for the diesel engine if I needed the extra torque provided, such as for towing.
Regarding smell, I may be more sensitive than most, but I always know when I'm behind one, even the new ones, if I have my HVAC set to "fresh air." Diesel drivers may not notice the smell because the it's behind them, in their wake.
09-12-21, 02:18 PM
#305
Lexus Fanatic
Tell that to my lemon law attorney Ford dropped their F-150 3.0 diesel & Ram’s VM Motori 3.0 diesel is pure garbage. That’s why I don’t own one anymore. The emission systems break, they malfunction quite often & sometimes catch fire. The diesel particulate filters commonly plug up prior to 100,000 & cost THOUSANDS to replace. The Toyota diesels that are not available in the USA are like gold. I like the GM 3.0 diesel, but it hasn’t been out long enough to know the problem areas yet. I drove one & it will smoke the rear tires & it’s unbelievably quiet. There is a shop in San Antonio called Diesel Toys & he puts in actual Toyota Diesel engines into Tacomas, Tundras, Land Cruisers, etc. They are crazy expensive, but well made.
Ford dropped their F-150 3.0 diesel & Ram’s VM Motori 3.0 diesel is pure garbage. That’s why I don’t own one anymore. The emission systems break, they malfunction quite often & sometimes catch fire. The diesel particulate filters commonly plug up prior to 100,000 & cost THOUSANDS to replace. The Toyota diesels that are not available in the USA are like gold. I like the GM 3.0 diesel, but it hasn’t been out long enough to know the problem areas yet. I drove one & it will smoke the rear tires & it’s unbelievably quiet. There is a shop in San Antonio called Diesel Toys & he puts in actual Toyota Diesel engines into Tacomas, Tundras, Land Cruisers, etc. They are crazy expensive, but well made.
09-12-21, 03:07 PM
#306
Lexus Champion
Fluid maintenance is also hell, there are armies of coolers and line that can all leak out or into each other (see oil cooler into coolant leaks for more terror), all of it needs serviced or acid buildup will kill it, and don't forget an oil change is 4-5 GALLONS of $50 a gallon oil.
09-12-21, 06:40 PM
#309
Lexus Fanatic
They do fine there because Europeans are willing to pay for the higher costs of maintenance and repair. And the cost of petrol is very expensive. In contrast, Americans love cheap petrol and cheap payments which is at odds with the most significant factor which is the higher up front costs to purchase….thus manufacturers generally do not make diesels for North America
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 09-12-21 at 08:27 PM.
09-12-21, 08:24 PM
#310
Lexus Champion
They do fine there because Europeans are willing to pay for the higher costs of maintenance and repair. And the cost of petrol is very expensive. In contrast, Americans love cheap petrol and cheap payments which is at odds with the most significant factor which is the higher up front costs to purchase….and manufacturers generally do not make diesels for North America
09-12-21, 09:12 PM
#311
Racer
Thread Starter
Well, for one, the European fuel has more lubricity than American fuel, making Diesel engine longevity a little better in Europe. The emissions are also looked at differently as well as fuel tax. It’s opposite in Europe, than in America, making diesel much more economical.
https://rentar.com/europeans-drive-d...ont-americans/
https://rentar.com/europeans-drive-d...ont-americans/
09-12-21, 11:42 PM
#313
Racer
Thread Starter
The cheating was because of the American EPA. Diesel emits almost no carbon monoxide, much less carbon dioxide & it gets better mpg, which means you are burning less fuel to go the same distances. There should be a diesel option for the Tundra.
