If Gas Cars Are Banned, Can The Grid Handle Electric Cars?
02-14-21, 08:20 PM
#76
Lexus Fanatic
That Youtuber is a Tesla owner. Your claim of 2x power usage is way off unless the average person drives about 40,000 miles a year which they don't. Do some basic math it's easy look up the average KWh usage per year of the average home, then look up how much power it takes to charge up a Tesla and how far it goes on that charge.
02-14-21, 08:23 PM
#77
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by winterturb
this YouTuber could have save himself a lot of time and breath by taking to actual EV owners. On average their electricity usage increases by over 100% when they charge their vehicle exclusively at home. That’s NOT 30%.
The true numbers are actually over 100%.
Sure utility companies give EV discount dropping the price but that has no bearing on the current topic, usage
in Norway drivers drive half as much as they do in America so they cut that to 50% plus 95% of their electricity is generated from hydro so they truly are clean cars. I’d drive one in Norway
the grid to homes if all cars convert to EV in the USA will see more than 100% increase and will need to be upgraded to handle that.
The true numbers are actually over 100%.
Sure utility companies give EV discount dropping the price but that has no bearing on the current topic, usage
in Norway drivers drive half as much as they do in America so they cut that to 50% plus 95% of their electricity is generated from hydro so they truly are clean cars. I’d drive one in Norway
the grid to homes if all cars convert to EV in the USA will see more than 100% increase and will need to be upgraded to handle that.
02-14-21, 08:29 PM
#78
Lexus Fanatic
Average home in the U.S uses 11,000 KWh per year that's enough to charge a Tesla 130 times which translates into 35,000+ miles. I'm being conservative the actual distance will probably be better. Either way that's more than double the average person drives per year. On average the home usage will not double.
02-14-21, 09:29 PM
#79
Average home in the U.S uses 11,000 KWh per year that's enough to charge a Tesla 130 times which translates into 35,000+ miles. I'm being conservative the actual distance will probably be better. Either way that's more than double the average person drives per year. On average the home usage will not double.
the grid nor homes can handle the complete conversion to EV’s without both major upgrades and new sources coming on stream
and this ends my contribution to this discussion
Oops. EEZ I missed you reply. So this will be my last I put to Thai discussion. The numbers he used that don’t work are the mpg equivalent of 70-140 mpg. I realize he’s repeating numbers that are used and generally accepted as true but In Real world applications with the technology we have today It’s impossible to burn gas convert it to Electricity transfer it to a car and get that kind of mileage. No body has done it nobody is doing it and as far as we know it cannot be done. So from there he derives his calculation of a theoretical increase of 1.25 trillion kw hours. . This. Number should be double more likely tripled. So an increase is 4.75 trillion kw hours. As the real conversion rate is 40-50 mpg max
in any case the real home electrical use numbers according to current EV owners works out to well over 100% increase in household usage if we convert to full EV usage. I don’t think that’s in dispute. And that will indeed strain the grid never mind homes.
Last edited by winterturb; 02-14-21 at 09:43 PM.
02-14-21, 10:11 PM
#80
Lexus Fanatic
That's not how he derived his calculations at all at this point I'm pretty sure you didn't watch even 10 frames of his video. The calculation has zero to do with MPGe it has to do with how much extra energy the grid needs to produce to power the EVs. That calculation is simple, we know exactly how many KWh it takes to move an EV a certain distance. That's it. You can disagree with MPGe ratings that doesn't change the math.
02-15-21, 10:11 AM
#81
That's not how he derived his calculations at all at this point I'm pretty sure you didn't watch even 10 frames of his video. The calculation has zero to do with MPGe it has to do with how much extra energy the grid needs to produce to power the EVs. That calculation is simple, we know exactly how many KWh it takes to move an EV a certain distance. That's it. You can disagree with MPGe ratings that doesn't change the math.
He used simple math, according to him, sorry it confused you. watch until the 2 minute mark.
02-15-21, 10:42 AM
#83
Lexus Fanatic
^^ Fine example of a logical fallacy. Extreme weather interrupts service therefore it is impossible for the grid to be to upgraded to handle 30% more load.
02-15-21, 10:56 AM
#84
Nobody is saying it isn't impossible. It's just going to be slow and expensive, not just going to happen naturally with a little extra money based off some simple math.
02-15-21, 10:58 AM
#85
The "grid" doesn't just grow a linear percentage year over year. Those increases happen with very large, very expensive infrastructure projects. Stupid logic to just assume that has no basis in reality.
02-15-21, 11:05 AM
#86
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Bob04
The "grid" doesn't just grow a linear percentage year over year. Those increases happen with very large, very expensive infrastructure projects. Stupid logic to just assume that has no basis in reality.
02-15-21, 11:46 AM
#87
With nuclear going out of favor, as well as new restrictions on fracking, we are going to be doing good to keep up with the electric demand we have today. Add population growth and a bunch of cars charging, and we are far in the hole. Solar and wind is nice, but they aren't going close to replacing these aging nuclear plants that provide a lot of our base load capacity. And solar and wind energy isn't always there when you need it. Ask Germany about that. Fracking provided some cheap natural gas that gave us a temporary reprieve, but if that is squeezed off like coal plants have been, we are going to be in trouble.
Too fix this, it's going to cost trillions and trillions of dollars in grid improvements. Meanwhile, expect energy prices to skyrocket. This is going to be VERY expensive and bring a lot of pain in monthly energy bills. Of course, anything is achievable if you throw enough money at it.
Too fix this, it's going to cost trillions and trillions of dollars in grid improvements. Meanwhile, expect energy prices to skyrocket. This is going to be VERY expensive and bring a lot of pain in monthly energy bills. Of course, anything is achievable if you throw enough money at it.
02-15-21, 01:14 PM
#89
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of course they never had fake news before the internet.
(my state is about 13 cents)
Tell me, what is being done to resolve the issue of Lake Mead losing its water and soon power to 40,000,000 people? See you are so far from the source you don’t even stop to consider what is going on and how it will affect you in the future. You are not alone. Once Lake Mead is dry, and it will be, it will be catastrophic, like existentially catastrophic unless power plants are built to replace, not the future power demands, but the existing ones
these are big complex issues.
these are big complex issues.
https://www.good.is/articles/lake-mead-is-drying-up
there's only been 1 new reactor gone online since 1996. there's a few in the works though.
Nuclear power in the United States - Wikipedia
Too fix this, it's going to cost trillions and trillions of dollars in grid improvements. Meanwhile, expect energy prices to skyrocket. This is going to be VERY expensive and bring a lot of pain in monthly energy bills. Of course, anything is achievable if you throw enough money at it.
02-15-21, 01:17 PM
#90
I'm not outrageously biased towards BEV's like some people, but even I have to say that traditional ICEV's will NOT be outlawed overnight, and the US will NOT be suddenly selling 16 million BEV's by the end of 2021.
Rather, BEV's will gradually rise in sales and market share, while non-fossil fuel burning power stations are progressively built to meet market demand.
If BEV sales truly exceeded non-fossil fuel burning power station development, then black-outs etc would occur, and sales of BEV's would temporarily back-off until non-fossil fuel burning power station infrastructure and local outlets meets demand.
Rather, BEV's will gradually rise in sales and market share, while non-fossil fuel burning power stations are progressively built to meet market demand.
If BEV sales truly exceeded non-fossil fuel burning power station development, then black-outs etc would occur, and sales of BEV's would temporarily back-off until non-fossil fuel burning power station infrastructure and local outlets meets demand.