Lexus IS500 F SPORT Performance
02-22-21, 05:48 PM
#271
Lead Lap
I think they will sell every one of these they make and this would be a great car to park in the garage and drive minimally (or, do whatever) for the next 20 years because it has all the 2020 tech but an old fashioned NA V8. So glorious. These will hold value like it's insane.
02-22-21, 06:11 PM
#272
Lexus Test Driver
Half decent engines that rev to 4-5k mated to crap build quality.
I am looking forward to the new Z06 which is supposed to have 5.5L V8 with crossplane crank.
None of their current engines are superior to Lexus 5.0 V8.
02-22-21, 06:19 PM
#273
Lexus Test Driver
The issue is this model being an F Sport Performance with the same engine and nearly every attribute of the F Model cars devalues the whole concept of an F Model car.
If they would take the tact that you are describing and commit to developing more F Models that are on another level from this I would agree, but I just don't see them doing that.
If they would take the tact that you are describing and commit to developing more F Models that are on another level from this I would agree, but I just don't see them doing that.
I think repositioning this as F lite to compete with S4, M340i and C43 actually gives IS500 an edge. If it was F model - they would compare it to C63, M3 and it can’t compete with those cars. GSF should have been GS500 with much lower price and i think Lexus learned their lesson.
It’s funny that this car is being better received on BMW forum than on CL.
02-22-21, 06:24 PM
#274
Pit Crew
Your point is valid but they ruined F brand long ago by putting F engine into LC500. Personally I don’t think F brand registers on anybody’s radar. It’s definitely not some storied brand with rich history.
I think repositioning this as F lite to compete with S4, M340i and C43 actually gives IS500 an edge. If it was F model - they would compare it to C63, M3 and it can’t compete with those cars. GSF should have been GS500 with much lower price and i think Lexus learned their lesson.
It’s funny that this car is being better received on BMW forum than on CL.
I think repositioning this as F lite to compete with S4, M340i and C43 actually gives IS500 an edge. If it was F model - they would compare it to C63, M3 and it can’t compete with those cars. GSF should have been GS500 with much lower price and i think Lexus learned their lesson.
It’s funny that this car is being better received on BMW forum than on CL.
02-22-21, 07:27 PM
#275
Your point is valid but they ruined F brand long ago by putting F engine into LC500. Personally I don’t think F brand registers on anybody’s radar. It’s definitely not some storied brand with rich history.
I think repositioning this as F lite to compete with S4, M340i and C43 actually gives IS500 an edge. If it was F model - they would compare it to C63, M3 and it can’t compete with those cars. GSF should have been GS500 with much lower price and i think Lexus learned their lesson.
It’s funny that this car is being better received on BMW forum than on CL.
I think repositioning this as F lite to compete with S4, M340i and C43 actually gives IS500 an edge. If it was F model - they would compare it to C63, M3 and it can’t compete with those cars. GSF should have been GS500 with much lower price and i think Lexus learned their lesson.
It’s funny that this car is being better received on BMW forum than on CL.
As for the reception on the Bimmer forums - there probably aren't as many jaded Lexus owners/ex-owners that have been let down in the past, so this it just a shiny new toy to them...!
02-22-21, 07:36 PM
#276
Lexus Champion
BMW makes the most perfect cars in the world except for their absolutely horrendous reliability, short term new and long term used.
02-22-21, 07:39 PM
#277
Pole Position
They should of put in the ls500's 3.5TT.... that would of made it much more fun. As it stands now with the v8, would be about equal performance with m340i.
02-22-21, 07:41 PM
#278
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by 92 SC400
I think the problem is going to be that the IS500 F Sport Performance is going to look more like an M3 competitor on paper - save for price (hopefully). People are going to see a 472HP V8 IS and a 473 HP M3 (non-Competition) and think they are fair comparisons; I don't see the majority out there comparing it to the M340i with 90 HP less (on paper) even though that's what this targets. Personally, I think that's going to cause some disappointment and maybe never let an ISF get off the ground (assuming one may come).
As for the reception on the Bimmer forums - there probably aren't as many jaded Lexus owners/ex-owners that have been let down in the past, so this it just a shiny new toy to them...!
As for the reception on the Bimmer forums - there probably aren't as many jaded Lexus owners/ex-owners that have been let down in the past, so this it just a shiny new toy to them...!
02-22-21, 07:48 PM
#279
Pole Position
A bullet proof Japanese V8 will be a collector's item.
02-22-21, 07:56 PM
#282
Right, that's why I said "save for price" - I hope the price point stays well below M3 levels!
02-22-21, 08:12 PM
#283
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by 92 SC400
My comment has nothing to do with reliability.Right, that's why I said "save for price" - I hope the price point stays well below M3 levels!
02-22-21, 08:30 PM
#284
472hp looks good on paper so it should do well against a measly 382hp M340. What's weird is that 4.5s to 60mph is pretty pedestrian for 472hp. All of the German cars get there with less than 400hp and you also have the Kia Stinger and G70 at that speed with 365hp. I understand if it's traction limited but the quarter mile is similar to the cars mentioned above. They all weigh the same too. A Mustang GT has similar hp and weight and does the 0-60 in 4 flat and low 12s in the quarter mile. Maybe the engines too peaky and powerband isn't broad enough. Strange.
Last edited by 92 SC400; 02-22-21 at 08:34 PM.
02-22-21, 08:42 PM
#285
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by 92 SC400
That's exactly why I think more people will be inclined to compare it to an M3 (if they get close in price), even though that may not be how/where Lexus intended to position it. I honestly don't know enough about all the performance numbers you state, but does the Lexus V8 trap significantly higher than those other cars in the 1/4 mile? Maybe the gearing isn't great?