SW17LS

I know right? Just drop it in there...it'll destroy everybody. Dont know where people will get the racing fuel or the ear protection, but they'll find it somewhere! Night vision...it wont even need real headlights. Just don't try and turn right.

rominl

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evidently you don't really read and understand gengar's posts or SW17LS's posts so you are the only one going in circle. and honestly if the most you care is reliability, this isn't really a thread for you. you have enjoyed your lexus for 2 weeks, i have been doing it for 2 decades.

natnut

The IS350 F-Sport seems dynamically very similar to the IS500 F-Sport Performance except for the larger brakes and Yamaha horizontal chassis dampers in the IS500 and the heavier V8 in the nose of the car. I wonder if the IS500 will handle similarly to the IS350 in the winding roads as shown in this review. The reviewer seems very impressed by the new Lexus Driving Signature and his main complaint was the IS350 engine was lacking in power in an otherwise sublime chassis. Perhaps the IS500 fixes that issue :

IceIridium

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If this is meant to be Lexus's answer to the S4 / M340 / C43 ranges, I really hope this does well, because if they're doing 472hp for this range then imagine the HP spec they'll need for a full-on new IS-F for the next generation!

THEN it might be enticing enough to finally pry my 08 IS-F for a trade-in!

UDel

My argument is if they price this 8 Cylinder F Sport in the 50's it could likely get some decent sales/interest, if they price it in the 60's, it won't, there is generally a 10K difference between priced in the 50's and 60's, I am saying starting more around the mid 50's and not going into the 60's fully loaded. You are going to the extremes in pricing to try to make your argument work/mine not by throwing out the very high 50's compared to very low 60's.

You are cherry picking one AMG model/gen out of so many over the years that wasn't very successful comparing it to the original IS-F to try to prove a point which doesn't mean anything when you consider how much success AMG and M have had over the years/gens/all the models, you also aren't taking in world wide sales where AMG/M cars sell very well, especially Europe(I believe they normally sell more in UK/Europe then US) where the F cars have very little sales outside of the US(they allocated about 150 IS-F's to the UK market, about 500 a year targeted sales in Japan). In regards to the 203 C class(not really a shining example of Mercedes cars) AMG's, didn't they originally super charge a 6 cylinder for the first few years and then after several years replaced it with the C55AMG which probably accounted for lower sales/interest for that gen AMG's?

Talking of expensive Japanese luxury sedans in general, what is going on with the GS, RLX, Infiniti M/Q70? They have all been unfortunately killed over the past few years due to poor sales. Why were sales poor, you can say each had its weaknesses which they did but also because they were pricey and hit too high of price points that many buyers don't want to pay for Japanese luxury cars. What is happening to the current LS500? It is failing too, due to many reasons other then price but also because the nicer equipped ones that you want are nudging at 100K. What happened when the GTR's price went up so much despite constant improvements, its sales plummeted, new NSX is a great car yet it can't manage any sales. I could go on and on but the fact is expensive Japanese cars generally don't fare well in the market unless they just nail it and even then the price has to really be right/seen as a bargain.

The F cars were not good sellers for Lexus, the last 2 have failed which is why they have to try something new like mainly just giving buyers the V8/power option they want in a IS without all the other stuff that drives the price up so high to hopefully generate some more sales/interest in higher performance Lexus cars so full on F's may get more sales/interest in the future. I don't see anything wrong with that, I just don't see why anyone would complain about that or be so disappointed, I don't see why shoe horning that V8 in a IS means there can't also be a full on IS-F or RC-F in the future. I wish they would have shoe horned that V8 in a GS and just offered it at a lower price then the GS-F or better yet offered a lesser tuned version of that V8 as a very affordable V8 option in the GS from the get go instead of the hybrid, maybe then the GS would have been more successful and not killed, who knows.

RNM GS3

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They also waited way too long to bring GSF to market - after refresh and to me the car is very underwhelming. It was significantly underpowered compared to E63, M5, CTS-V. In that executive performance class - power #s are everything.

They are doing same thing now with LC - waiting forever to bring LCF model to market. Again consistency of new products and product investment is key and something that Lexus has never followed through on their various performance vehicles/parts - TRD, TTE, Ltuned, Fsport etc. I have seen it all.....

Joe Z

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@IceIridium

IF there was an IS F in the planned pipeline, they would have needed to start it a few years back...
(see sample of the LC F prototype circling Nurburgring)

Currently I don't see a true IS "F" car coming anytime soon!! Insert the IS 500

Even the LC F has been halted or still questionable based on several reports few months back.

@RNM GS3 Sharing truth and honest opinions should be welcomed by Lexus Intl / USA / JP.. Otherwise we'll keep getting the same "no more boring cars"

We can't just keep hopping on the same "thank you Lexus" bandwagon...

Joe Z

gengar

ROFL, I'm using the number you provided. You're the one who said "around 10k" is a reasonable premium for dropping the V8 into the IS, and that's where the $58.500 figure comes from. This is precisely why I asked that you be specific, because otherwise in this thread you just keep making vague and obscure statements, then when challenged, attempt to weasel out of it with more vague and obscure statements. Whenever we stick to specific numbers and facts, we see how little sense your argument makes, and that's why your statements here are so easily dismissed.

Cherry-picked??? Then you know absolutely nothing about AMG history. The reason I picked these two cars is that they were the first AMG and F cars made in-house by MB and Lexus.

And to further debunk this "cherry-picking" nonsense, the C36 sold even fewer units in the USA than the C43. But IMO that wasn't a fair comparison since, again, this was before AMG production went in-house at MB.

SW17LS

This car will be solidly in the $60k range. No way its optioned in the 50s.

RNM GS3

I have been sharing my opinion for years when i left the brand years ago. 😀
Right now its too late to revamp ICE performance so let’s be greatful for the “old” V8 they still have. Any future ICE performance models Lexus can bring to market would be highly appreciated.

If you want pure performance brand with enthousiast focus - you need to go to Porsche in the current marketplace.

RNM GS3

It could start at high $50s like 57-59k or they can just offer fully loaded model for $63-65k.

EZZ

This is what I think they will do. I think they will be very successful if they do this

Kira X

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I agree with this. They wait too long to put out the performance version of their cars. The GS-F and LC-F should have come much earlier on. The GS- should have had more power, especially for how expensive the car was. The competition was much more powerful.

It’s interesting that you pointed out all of the Lexus performance part names. They didn’t seem consistent with anything for a while. I remember seeing L-Tuned, TTE, and TRD parts on the first generation IS and second generation GS.

perfctreig

Totally agree. I love the e39 and the e39 BMW M5 cars. I dream of driving one. One of my friends has a BMW "M-Sport" car. I look at it and laugh. It is cute, and she's happy with it, but I keep thinking it is a wannabe. Simply a sales marketing gimmick.

rominl

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amen to that man, porsche listens to their buyers and people are willing to pay premium for it.

you are also right about AMG and M slapping their badge on everything. very sad move. it started out with the fsport, and then later on audi bmw and mb jumped on it, sigh...