Lexus IS500 F SPORT Performance
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flawed. you are trying to compare how lexus started vs how bmw/mb do it NOW, that's not apple to apple.
even if you look back to 2008 when isf started, you claim there is no middle ground between is250/is350 and isf? bmw had 325/335 and then m3. mb had c300/c350 and then c63. you either get a "regular" 3 series or c class or you pay a lot more money for the extreme sports. and that's how bmw and amg started as well. please keep in mind that it was lexus who started the whole "middle ground" thing with fsport. bmw and mb were followers.
even if you look back to 2008 when isf started, you claim there is no middle ground between is250/is350 and isf? bmw had 325/335 and then m3. mb had c300/c350 and then c63. you either get a "regular" 3 series or c class or you pay a lot more money for the extreme sports. and that's how bmw and amg started as well. please keep in mind that it was lexus who started the whole "middle ground" thing with fsport. bmw and mb were followers.
It is a GOOD thing that Lexus is now starting to implement this with the IS500 FSP. This shows that they are willing to learn and move on from past missteps. An affordable V8 compact RWD sedan is better than NO F line at all, (which is what will happen if no one buys high performance Lexus cars) so I'm not sure why longtime F car purists are complaining about the IS500 existing. The IS500 and a future ISF, LCF, RCF are not mutually exclusive, both can exist in the same space. In fact, the success of the IS500 will make possible the existence of the 2022+ ISF.
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Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-04-21 at 03:26 AM.
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just be glad Lexus is still putting out 5.0 V8s, the alternative is stuff like this
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
that silence would just kill the whole auto industry....and any enthusiasm
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#519
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I have had a go in F430 and 458 Italia - the noise that those cars make is like being in heaven. The scream of GT3 hitting 9k rpm or even driving LC500. The Noise is a huge part of the driving experience for most ppl.
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Its not the only thing though. Yes, it can enhance the driving experience but it doesn't make/break a car. I agree it can especially enhance the supercar experience but lack of sound won't kill auto enthusiasm...thats just plain silly. People will just focus on other aspects that they like. Also, high performance EVs make their own unique sounds. Electric motors make spaceship sounds at full tilt and its really magnified in the Plaid models (go look up the introduction video) and the Taycan. I'd rather a my performance car do a quarter mile in the low 11s silently vs. 13s with exhaust at the same price.
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Its not the only thing though. Yes, it can enhance the driving experience but it doesn't make/break a car. I agree it can especially enhance the supercar experience but lack of sound won't kill auto enthusiasm...thats just plain silly. People will just focus on other aspects that they like. Also, high performance EVs make their own unique sounds. Electric motors make spaceship sounds at full tilt and its really magnified in the Plaid models (go look up the introduction video) and the Taycan. I'd rather a my performance car do a quarter mile in the low 11s silently vs. 13s with exhaust at the same price.
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just be glad Lexus is still putting out 5.0 V8s, the alternative is stuff like this
https://youtu.be/xlAz47yxFXY
https://youtu.be/xlAz47yxFXY
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#523
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You are implying i'm talking about a Tesla. I could be talking about a Mach E with some of those traits or any other car at a certain price range. EVs are much much easier to make faster.
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LS 4.3 just hums like a sewing machine unless you prod it then you hear ripping silk.
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