Lexus IS500 F SPORT Performance
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what is F-sport really? Is it performance? Is it more than a badge? I keep seeing and hearing F-sport this and F-sport that. 29 years ago thes IS, GS, SC, and LS im sure were at the top of its kind in comfort and performance. Sure it may not be fuel economical or the fastest, but it makes for 1 hell of a drive.
The actual F cars all had V8’s and were the high performance versions of the IS, GS, and RC.
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what is F-sport really? Is it performance? Is it more than a badge? I keep seeing and hearing F-sport this and F-sport that. 29 years ago thes IS, GS, SC, and LS im sure were at the top of its kind in comfort and performance. Sure it may not be fuel economical or the fastest, but it makes for 1 hell of a drive.
#68
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F-Sport is mainly an appearance package. There are F-Sport intakes and exhaust you can purchase but those parts don’t come with the car. In the case of the LS460, you got massive brakes on the F-Sport version.
The actual F cars all had V8’s and were the high performance versions of the IS, GS, and RC.
The actual F cars all had V8’s and were the high performance versions of the IS, GS, and RC.
#69
Pit Crew
IMO the entire Lexus lineup should be moving towards electrification/hybridization, with a handful of Dedicated F variants with ICE like an ISF, RCF, LCF. They should undercut the competition by 10-15% (e.g a $60k ISF/RCF and a $115-120k LCF).
Consider an RXF or another F SUV variant to compete with X3M and X5M.
In regard to Toyota, bring over that GR Yaris and stick a manual in the Supra.
People are falling into two camps now, performance enthusiasts that want dedicated sports cars or people who just want to get from point A to B and ideally want everything to be autonomous and want to be as detached from driving as possible.
I don’t want Lexus to lose the performance enthusiast market it has built up with the ISF, GSF, RCF in the last few years, but if they half *** a car that’s not quite M3/M4 competitor but also not a tech filled electric/hybrid Tesla-esque competitor, they’re just going to fall by the wayside.
I’m just having a hard time understanding this new FSport car unless it’s going to be an actual performance model or if it’ll keep walking this middle line/no mans land that Lexus likes to oftentimes meander in.
Consider an RXF or another F SUV variant to compete with X3M and X5M.
In regard to Toyota, bring over that GR Yaris and stick a manual in the Supra.
People are falling into two camps now, performance enthusiasts that want dedicated sports cars or people who just want to get from point A to B and ideally want everything to be autonomous and want to be as detached from driving as possible.
I don’t want Lexus to lose the performance enthusiast market it has built up with the ISF, GSF, RCF in the last few years, but if they half *** a car that’s not quite M3/M4 competitor but also not a tech filled electric/hybrid Tesla-esque competitor, they’re just going to fall by the wayside.
I’m just having a hard time understanding this new FSport car unless it’s going to be an actual performance model or if it’ll keep walking this middle line/no mans land that Lexus likes to oftentimes meander in.
Last edited by Tom44; 02-18-21 at 04:01 AM.
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Lexus Champion
That's true on the IS, but not across the board. For example, you can still get a UX200 F Sport, whereas the UX250h is the more powerful version, and you can still get the RC300 in the F Sport, which is of course less powerful than the RC350. You can also get the RX350 in an F Sport, which has slightly less power than the RX450h. So they may be heading in a direction where they tie the F Sport package to the larger/more powerful engine option, but they've a way to go.
#72
Lexus Test Driver
That's true on the IS, but not across the board. For example, you can still get a UX200 F Sport, whereas the UX250h is the more powerful version, and you can still get the RC300 in the F Sport, which is of course less powerful than the RC350. You can also get the RX350 in an F Sport, which has slightly less power than the RX450h. So they may be heading in a direction where they tie the F Sport package to the larger/more powerful engine option, but they've a way to go.
#73
Lexus Champion
The F-Sport itself doesn't add any power either even on the IS350. You can get a base IS350 without the F-sport for the exact same horsepower so its still mostly a suspension/appearance package. I don't understand the strategy here as the F-sport package was a big seller for all trim levels due to the appearance. Why not make it on every model to drive sales as its really no different from the S-line, M package, and AMG appearance packages. I think how Lexus handled the F-sport was actually pretty smart and its just the full F cars that they screwed up on.
#74
Lexus Test Driver
My bad...i thought there was a luxury package version. I guess they went the M340 route as there isn't a base of the 340 anymore. I still think the F-sport should be offered on all the lower trims. You can still get the M package and S-trim on the lower level forms of the 3 series and A4 so its weird that they took away the option for the IS as it was a popular and lucrative option for Lexus.
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Lexus Fanatic
The F-Sport itself doesn't add any power either even on the IS350. You can get a base IS350 without the F-sport for the exact same horsepower so its still mostly a suspension/appearance package. I don't understand the strategy here as the F-sport package was a big seller for all trim levels due to the appearance. Why not make it on every model to drive sales as its really no different from the S-line, M package, and AMG appearance packages. I think how Lexus handled the F-sport was actually pretty smart and its just the full F cars that they screwed up on.