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Old 03-21-21 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
And the majority of that time will be spent on a combination of the following - eating/washroom/stretching legs. So the "actual time " wasted" will be significantly less than 12 hours
And it's more than "half" way across Canada.
It is an interesting lifestyle to stop 31 times and charge for 12 hrs. To come back it would be another 12 hrs. 62 stops to charge. It would take me 8 fill ups to drive my 4R the same distance, 16 fill ups round trip. About $1300 to do it. An interesting proposition.

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that's CDN $, right? so about $2 U.S.
Not sure what $2 US But at $4 per gallon US, you would pay about $5.50 - 5.85 US per gallon in Canada. There is more tax in CN

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It is an interesting lifestyle to stop 31 times and charge for 12 hrs. To come back it would be another 12 hrs. 62 stops to charge. It would take me 8 fill ups to drive my 4R the same distance, 16 fill ups round trip. About $1300 to do it. An interesting proposition.
or just get on a plane.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
It is an interesting lifestyle to stop 31 times and charge for 12 hrs. To come back it would be another 12 hrs. 62 stops to charge. It would take me 8 fill ups to drive my 4R the same distance, 16 fill ups round trip. About $1300 to do it. An interesting proposition.



Not sure what $2 US But at $4 per gallon US, you would pay about $5.50 - 5.85 US per gallon in Canada. There is more tax in CN
It will be closer to $1600 for a a 4Runner that burns 5.9 gallons per 100 miles. It will cost me exactly zero cents.
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Originally Posted by Hameed
It will be closer to $1600 for a a 4Runner that burns 5.9 gallons per 100 miles. It will cost me exactly zero cents.
Interesting motivation to stop 62 times, and spend one extra day just charging.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
or just get on a plane.
And miss out on seeing all of this??

1. The spectacular long beaches on Lake Superior - Pancake Bay beach (best for sunrise/sunset)
2. The massive rocky outcrops of the Canadian Shield
3. Indigenous pictographs and ancient rock paintings by the shores of Superior
4. Chippewa Falls
5. Spend the night in Wawa
6. Terrace Bay - lighthouse and Aguasabon Gorge and Falls
7. Nipigon - lookout tower
8. Spend the night in Thunder Bay
9. Kakabecka falls Provincial Park
10. White horse monument
11. The Crossing at Grasslands, NE 8-3-13 W 3rd, Val Marie, SK S0N 2T0 - the Crossing at Grasslands near Val Marie SK but only if the forecast is for a clear night sky as the stars can be absolutely breathtaking.
12. The endless giant blue skies set above the rolling landscape and wheat & canola fields of the prairies
13. Cypress Hills
14. Dinosaur Provincial Park
15. Badlands just before the foothills of the Rockies
16. The tips of the Rockies peeking above the horizon after Calgary.
17. Icefields parkway (drive both ways) between Lake Louise Jasper park
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Originally Posted by Hameed
And miss out on seeing all of this??

1. The spectacular long beaches on Lake Superior - Pancake Bay beach (best for sunrise/sunset)
2. The massive rocky outcrops of the Canadian Shield
3. Indigenous pictographs and ancient rock paintings by the shores of Superior
4. Chippewa Falls
5. Spend the night in Wawa
6. Terrace Bay - lighthouse and Aguasabon Gorge and Falls
7. Nipigon - lookout tower
8. Spend the night in Thunder Bay
9. Kakabecka falls Provincial Park
10. White horse monument
11. The Crossing at Grasslands, NE 8-3-13 W 3rd, Val Marie, SK S0N 2T0 - the Crossing at Grasslands near Val Marie SK but only if the forecast is for a clear night sky as the stars can be absolutely breathtaking.
12. The endless giant blue skies set above the rolling landscape and wheat & canola fields of the prairies
13. Cypress Hills
14. Dinosaur Provincial Park
15. Badlands just before the foothills of the Rockies
16. The tips of the Rockies peeking above the horizon after Calgary.
17. Icefields parkway (drive both ways) between Lake Louise Jasper park
It would be nice to see all of these things. Have you ever done the trip before? or first time?
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Interesting motivation to stop 31 time, and spend one extra day doing.
You'll be spending almost as much time taking washroom breaks and eating unless you're saying that the only times you stop on a 4590 km trip are the "5 mins" it takes you to fill the 4Runners tank.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
It would be nice to see all of these things. Have you ever done the trip before? or first time?
Never done this trip before, that's why I want to see our beautiful country at least once before I die lol
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Originally Posted by Hameed
Never done this trip before, that's why I want to see our beautiful country at least once before I die lol
I have seen some of the places.. It is quite special I have never done that trip by road.

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You'll be spending almost as much time taking washroom breaks and eating unless you're saying that the only times you stop on a 4590 km trip are the "5 mins" it takes you to fill the 4Runners tank.
I totally agree that there are things to do when you stop. However, planning to stop 62 times and spend 1 full day just charging and then add in all these things like eating around charging is an interesting choice. I would probably rather pay $$$ for a charging station reservation bundled into a hotel reservation than I would just show up

In all honesty. I would personally rent a hybrid car or hybrid crossover..and make the trip via that method.

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Old 03-21-21 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
what is your electricity cost per kWH? and do you have solar?
Greetings, Bit. Yes, we have solar but charge at night at 7.84 cents per kWh (9.34 minus the 1.5 cent EV discount from our local utility).
Old 03-21-21 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
It's videos like this that make me leery. This couple in cold weather is so desparate to get to a charging station they turn off the heating and every non-essential accessory to preserve what's left of their battery charge.

And then they have to recharge for ages in FREEZING weather.

meanwhile, i was a bit annoyed this week that i had to refill my ice car in 5 minutes this week.
https://youtu.be/RRiTDcOgUII
Model 3 and Y just got heat pumps so that should help a lot for those who bought them in past few months.

Another problem with most other EVs is that you rarely get fastest possible charging, reading few Mustang reviews you could see that nobody could get it to charge faster than 50 kwh despite their claims.
Superchargers are by far the most reliable fast chargers but forget charging at 250kwh for now too, speed is very similar to 150kwh chargers so far.

There is definitely big minus for EVs when it comes to taking big trips. For those people, Tesla is only option right now.

For people that mostly drive 100-150 miles max per day, and can charge at home, EVs are amazing already and should be a no brainer.
Old 03-21-21 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
And miss out on seeing all of this??

5. Spend the night in Wawa
Wawa is great but Sheetz is even better.
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On the point of extended trip time spent charging, yes your trip time will be longer compared to traveling in an ICE vehicle but, like most things, it depends. It doesn't necessarily mean you're sitting there the entirety of charging waiting for the battery to fill up. It's like loading a dishwasher or the washing machine, you're still doing other things as the main task occurs in the background. Especially with kids/family, everything takes longer than if I do it by myself so the limiting factor is more when the wife and child need a pit stop. They eat so slowly too that meal time easily accomplishes the task of recharging humans and the car. I understand the concern of "constantly needing to charge" on trips and that was a "con" when I considered the Tesla, but in reality "waiting to charge" has been such a non-issue even though our particular Model S charges slower than a 3/Y or 100-kWh S/X.

It is sort of like going on vacation and having two different objectives. There is the kind of trip you take where you want to squeeze every sightseeing opportunity into your itinerary but you come home exhausted and need a vacation from your vacation. Then there's the vacation where you're lounging around more and using the time to do nothing. Do not get me wrong, I enjoy both types of trips, but EV ownership provides a more relaxing trip experience. I am not as rushed to get to my destination and I'm not straining myself to log as many miles as I can to reach our destination. Instead, I make reasonable time in an EV and arrive without feeling fatigued. I know it sucks to wait for things in today's society with on-demand streaming, one-day (or even same-day) Amazon shipping, and always being "plugged-in" to work. Even though our lives are so hurried and hectic and the charging is an added delay on a trip, I don't feel like the charging is forced in the same way I'm forced to get gas on that rush to reach my destination. It is hard to explain but the charging doesn't feel like a chore like a gas station stop. Instead, it is a welcomed break and we accomplish other needs during the charging session. As such, I do not feel impatient like I would waiting in line to get gas. Switching to an EV isn't simply changing your mode of transportation, your perspective and mentality shifts as well.

We still have the ES 330 and access to the family Tundra, RX 350, and LS 430, but the Tesla is my first choice. The RX and Tundra are obviously better for carrying bikes but I really do not enjoy driving either of those cars now and am thiiiiiiiis close to installing a tow hitch on the Model S to avoid borrowing the ICE options.

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Old 03-21-21 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I totally agree that there are things to do when you stop. However, planning to stop 62 times and spend 1 full day just charging and then add in all these things like eating around charging is an interesting choice. I would probably rather pay $$$ for a charging station reservation bundled into a hotel reservation than I would just show up

In all honesty. I would personally rent a hybrid car or hybrid crossover..and make the trip via that method.
Regarding all the planning you've pointed out:

The Tesla superchargers are strategically located in the parking lots of shopping malls and strip plazas or hotels that are very close to the highway. This facilitates you taking care of all 3 things in the same location - washroom, food and charging. So there's no extra planning required as you mentioned above.

The cars navigation system (google maps) has a built in function to automatically route you to superchargers on your route and it prioritizes saving you time by keeping your charging duration to the minimum required to get to the next charger and also by ensuring that you're not charging your car when it's at a high state of charge as that wastes time.

Lastly the 12 hours is the worst case scenario as this trip would require at least 4 or 5 nights stay at hotels and I will plan to stay at a hotel that has a Level 2 charger and if not just a regular 120v outlet. So again the 12 hours is not actual time spent just charging.

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Originally Posted by Hameed
R. So again the 12 hours is not actual time spent just charging.
ok fair. But you posted the 12 hr charge time.



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