Allen K

iTrader: (4)

The unsubstantiated rumor that I heard was that they don't want to deal with battery degradation questions so by saying they only do ~220 miles per charge, getting more is a delighter. Whereas in Tesla groups, the questions are always "how come my SR+/LR only gets x miles when it's rated for y!?"

LeX2K

FatherTo1

This is typical Porsche though. Their ICE vehicles also accelerate faster than published numbers. It has been a longtime Porsche trend.

Porsche knows their demographic and expects owners to enjoy their finely crafted product. That is why they designed the Taycan to maintain performance consistently across dozens of hard launches. That kind of driving is going to impact range big time but Porsche knows it and expects it, so they engineered the battery and cooling system to allow for decent range under hard driving conditions.

sdls

Fact: Tesla has double the range of Porsche
Link https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/t...miles-2928915/

EZZ

hmmm..lets be fair. In real world tests, the Taycan has around 260-280 miles of range which is far above the EPA. The 400 mile Model S in real world tests only get about 320-340 miles of range. Better than the Taycan for sure but not nearly double. To get 400 miles in a Tesla, you'd have to average about 55-60mph on a highway with minimal wind and 70 degree weather without AC blasting.

sdls

The real world Taycan tests must have driven them behind a tractor trailer with the AC off, and the Tesla tests are usually done with the pedal to the floor and maximum AC blasting. It makes for a juicy click and ad revenue.

Toys4RJill

Range at the Taycan price point is irrelevant. Same with the Tesla S

Hameed

It DEFINITELY is relevant. I can say that as an owner of a Tesla Model S.

Toys4RJill

Fair enough. I say the Taycan is irrelevant because rich people who buy Taycans can easily charge cars where apartment dwellers cannot as easily. Rich people can also have multiple cars for the long drips. Range should deter someone with Taycan $$ as a rented car can very easily be had for long trips.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

tesla pretty much never meets their epa ratings whereas everyone else seems to meet or beat them.

this year long usage by edmunds give some good real world experience.

FatherTo1

The issue I have with Edmunds testing is they assume the EPA rating applies to all variants of a Tesla. In several of these Edmonds “controlled “ tests, they pitted EVs with base wheel/tire sizes against Tesla models with the upsized wheel/tire package, which produces a significant hit to range.

Check out the following two tests by Car and Driver recently that show the Model S Long Range Plus as the first EV to travel over 300 real miles at 75 MPH, “Logging 320 miles at 75 mph puts the Model S's range on par with that of some gas-powered cars”:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...range-testing/

At 65 MPH, the Model S travelled almost 430 miles and exceeded its 402-mile EPA rating. According to the article, “During aCar and Driverreal-world range drive with a Model S Long Range Plus supplied by Tesla, we drove at 65 mph with the climate control set at 72 degrees and adaptive cruise control on. Our range was 422.7 miles, using 99.3 kWh of the 102.5-kWh battery pack. Tesla extrapolated the data to predict that the vehicle would have reached 430 miles of range before the vehicle had shut down and had to be towed away on a flatbed. That's an impressive feat for a route that went from Tesla’s Fremont factory down to Soledad, California, and back, twice.”:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ategy-details/

sdls

Edmunds sure is fair and balanced. I’m definitely not saying that they are being paid off by short sellers to trash Tesla. I’m saying that they are a completely respectable organization and that they are above all independent. They gain nothing from publishing anti-Tesla content except for grace and dignity. That’s right.

EZZ

Some of their complaints are valid but really, but some are because they bought the wrong trim. They complain that the SUV should be more family oriented and complain about the harshness of the ride but they got the Performance version which comes with the gigantic 21 inch wheels and stiffer suspension. They bought this trim to beat up on Trackhawks and Vettes to get views so they should have known its not a great family vehicle. The regular version has a better ride and what 90% of people buy anyway. The Tesla they bought didn't have good quality though...they bought it too early in the Tesla lifecycle

LeX2K

This is a revealing interview, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" seems to apply. If you don't have time to watch the take-away is Edmunds is at best incompetent and fails to understand even the basics of testing. For example, "We don't think there is a correlation between efficiency and range" uh what? I started to feel embarrassed for that rep, scary he is the editor in chief.

LexBob2

Car and Driver got 300 miles in a 2020 Model S highway test. They say it's a first for them.

Tesla Model S Long Range Plus Exceeds 300 Miles of Range, a First in Our Testing (msn.com)