MT: Luxury SUV comparison.
02-20-21, 04:05 PM
#16
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the big american suvs are built on track bof chassis because it's practical and cheaper for them (mfrs) to do so.
the major downside to the bof platforms being used is the suvs become really tall (to achieve usable interior height on top the truck frame) and just huge overall.)
the major downside to the bof platforms being used is the suvs become really tall (to achieve usable interior height on top the truck frame) and just huge overall.)
02-20-21, 04:09 PM
#17
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Did you even look at the hp ratings between the two? 335hp for the X7 vs 450hp for the Navigator. That’s a big difference.
02-20-21, 04:17 PM
#18
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I sure did. That is a very impressive V6 from Ford. Do I agree that it’s better than a V8? NO. But MT is gonna say the prices were as close as possible. I dunno, I have never loved crossovers and I do not like X7 exterior....not sure I love the Navi but I do like the themes they are doing and their new direction is definitely nicer and more appealing than Lexus....I have never cared for BMW X line of models or MB crossovers.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-20-21 at 04:22 PM.
02-20-21, 04:22 PM
#19
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I sure did. That is a very impressive V6 from Ford. Do I agree that it’s better than a V8? NO. But MT is gonna say the prices were as close as possible. I dunno, I have never loved crossovers and I do not like X7 exterior....not sure I love the Navi but I do like the themes they are doing and their new direction is definitely nicer and more appealing than Lexus....
02-20-21, 04:24 PM
#20
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I'm guessing the Navigator since it's been around longer is proving to be more reliable than Lincoln's other SUV's, especially the Aviator which had a lot of QC and reliability issues initially.
02-20-21, 04:31 PM
#21
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the g-wagon is a specialty product, basically a very tall tank designed for just about any off road circumstances, and not a normal luxury suv.
The entrants in this motortrend comparison are cushy big suvs for hauling families and friends in comfort, nothing at all like a g-wagon.
the g-wagon is a 2 row brute that's some TWENTY INCHES SHORTER than a navigator.
The entrants in this motortrend comparison are cushy big suvs for hauling families and friends in comfort, nothing at all like a g-wagon.
the g-wagon is a 2 row brute that's some TWENTY INCHES SHORTER than a navigator.
02-20-21, 04:46 PM
#22
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02-20-21, 04:52 PM
#23
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Suburban has been around since what, 1938?
Close....1936. I'll give you the cigar anyway.
02-20-21, 04:58 PM
#24
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02-20-21, 05:28 PM
#25
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02-21-21, 09:36 AM
#27
Navigator is the lowest market share out of those 4. Escalade and GLS are usually the top, new GLS has helped it catch back up to Escalade a bit recently. X7 has jumped out ahead of Navigator in just a few years on the market.
02-21-21, 10:06 AM
#29
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I look forward to reading the article, having driven all of these vehicles several times (save the new Escalade which I’ve only sat in) the premise is flawed, the vehicles are really different. Personally, I would never choose the big BOF utes over the unibody X7 and GLS unless I needed to tow or really commonly carried more people. Or maybe if they were mainly used for long highway trips. In day to day driving they feel much bigger and more ponderous. So I would say this matchup is more about what sort of vehicle you like than which vehicle is objectively better.
For example, I would consider the X7 and GLS as potential luxury sedan replacements for me, would never consider a Navigator or Escalade.
As for the Navigator and Escalade being a class above, no way. Fully loaded X7s and GLS are way more money than any Navigator or Escalade.
For example, I would consider the X7 and GLS as potential luxury sedan replacements for me, would never consider a Navigator or Escalade.
As for the Navigator and Escalade being a class above, no way. Fully loaded X7s and GLS are way more money than any Navigator or Escalade.
Last edited by SW17LS; 02-21-21 at 10:12 AM.
02-21-21, 11:09 AM
#30
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This is THE FIRST time I’ve ever heard of that BMW six being underpowered. It’s an underrated engine numbers wise to begin with and gushed over repeatedly. I’ve read more than one review of the X7 where the six was more than enough, to where they said V8 unnecessary. I find it hard to believe that on freeways the X7 feels slow.
Then they infer that the Navigator sounds good. Uhhhm, the Ecoboosts perform great yet but nobody really cares for the sounds they make. Then they say that there isn’t any high horsepower rush in the Escalade from a detuned Corvette 6.2? Really? They should have added 20 hp or so with the redesign to offset the added weight because the new one is slower, but still.
Finally, I didn’t go into all the pics because ads but that GLS interior sure looked nice and premium to me.
What do some of you all think?