Lexus Is Preparing a V8 F Car Renaissance
02-23-21 | 12:42 PM
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this and his review for the GSF made me buy the car, I wish they put the same engine in the ls500 and I would have in my garage. they really screwed up with the ls500. while the is500 gets a v8 ..weird but its a good move
Is there any other V8 engine you can get in a compact luxury sport sedan for under $70k? No
This motor sounds epic and is extremely reliable. It also differentiates Lexus in a positive way in the marketplace. People will want to experience a V8 before they are extinct and I don’t know many that are better than this one.
Watch this video from Matt Farah - he knows how to drive cars and has experienced all types of engines. He still considers the 5.0 V8 to be one of the best ever made.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FGa0BeltGZA
This motor sounds epic and is extremely reliable. It also differentiates Lexus in a positive way in the marketplace. People will want to experience a V8 before they are extinct and I don’t know many that are better than this one.
Watch this video from Matt Farah - he knows how to drive cars and has experienced all types of engines. He still considers the 5.0 V8 to be one of the best ever made.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FGa0BeltGZA
02-23-21 | 01:02 PM
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BMW announced xDrive will be an option. RWD will have around 470hp and AWD equipped models slightly north of 500hp.
02-23-21 | 03:04 PM
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The electrics are just beginning so just a matter of time as we transition away form ICE. I expect OEMs to start adding gears to improve efficiency and high speed abilities. The one thing can't do is mod EVs though as the software is locked so production versions are extremely quick but will be limited in the aftermarket segments.
I expect very very few supercharger builds for the IS500 though. The market segment just isn't into building a rocket for drag duty...most are casual enthusiasts with money that want a cool experience. You just won't see the aftermarket attention you get from Mustangs and Camaros. Also, hard to put anything into that engine bay...looks pretty cramped in there
I expect very very few supercharger builds for the IS500 though. The market segment just isn't into building a rocket for drag duty...most are casual enthusiasts with money that want a cool experience. You just won't see the aftermarket attention you get from Mustangs and Camaros. Also, hard to put anything into that engine bay...looks pretty cramped in there
I personally just want a Lexus with a good engine, I like the style, build, and materials but wish the drivelines actually got better past 06 lol! There is something wrong with the fact most cars haven't seen any real performance gains in 15 years while Chevy and ford are killing Ferrari and Porsche on track
02-23-21 | 03:05 PM
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02-23-21 | 03:11 PM
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14 years ago the 5.0 was in the IS-F as you know, but 'only' made 416hp. now it makes over 470 so hardly "no changes".
yes it would have been nice, but 470+hp is NOT slow.
as for other changes i'm sure it's been tweaked some over the years, even if it didn't officially bump the hp.
as you know, now i'm a recent new owner of a lexus with the 5.0 V8 (LC) i'm very pleased they're going to use it in another model!
people love this engine for its sound (with exhaust of course) and its free revving nature. i don't know the technical difference between the 8 speed used in the rc-f/is500 vs the 10 speed in the lc, but i'm pretty amazed at the speed of shifts in the 10 speed.
anyway, it's a good day for lexus.
i'd say the deciding factor here will be the price. with the rc-f at $68k,, i expect the is500 will start at a similar price. if it's priced a lot higher it won't sell.
yes it would have been nice, but 470+hp is NOT slow.
as for other changes i'm sure it's been tweaked some over the years, even if it didn't officially bump the hp.as you know, now i'm a recent new owner of a lexus with the 5.0 V8 (LC) i'm very pleased they're going to use it in another model!
people love this engine for its sound (with exhaust of course) and its free revving nature. i don't know the technical difference between the 8 speed used in the rc-f/is500 vs the 10 speed in the lc, but i'm pretty amazed at the speed of shifts in the 10 speed.
anyway, it's a good day for lexus.
i'd say the deciding factor here will be the price. with the rc-f at $68k,, i expect the is500 will start at a similar price. if it's priced a lot higher it won't sell.
Same way a 340i with a tune and FBOs (downpipe, intake, deletes, etc) or a hellcat with a tune and pulley is also still stock since you didn't actually change anything. Now something like camming and LS7 and raising redline 1000rpm with modern spring and retainer tech to 650+ hp is actually changing and improving the engine. Like the LS1 vs LS6 having actual hard part flow and pressure differential improvements over the original that when moved over to the first version increase performance without tuning.
If you just clean up packaging and add a tune it's the same engine.
02-23-21 | 03:14 PM
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02-23-21 | 05:51 PM
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Its not that they're banned...yet....they're taxed. In Europe these access taxes are a huge issue for carbuyers.
And yeah, there are small diesel powertrains available on the S Class and 7 Series, etc in Europe for this reason. They have an S350d for instance, 280 hp 6 cyl..
And yeah, there are small diesel powertrains available on the S Class and 7 Series, etc in Europe for this reason. They have an S350d for instance, 280 hp 6 cyl..
People will pay taxes to drive performance cars or avoid driving them in the city if they can. Diesels are the worst.
02-23-21 | 05:52 PM
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02-23-21 | 06:15 PM
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Long live the S65!! The 4.0 V8 and 5.0 V10 (S85) both had wonderful aural howls. I cannot say the same of M3/M4 with the turbo I6, IMO it sounds like rocks in a blender. But to each their own, there are a few M owners on this forum that like them. Just not for me.
BMW announced xDrive will be an option. RWD will have around 470hp and AWD equipped models slightly north of 500hp.
BMW announced xDrive will be an option. RWD will have around 470hp and AWD equipped models slightly north of 500hp.
The F8x platform as a whole was incredible and last one developed by the great Albert Biermann who headed up the M division.
The E92 M3 has the great V8 sound and steering feel but rest of the car is not nearly as good as F8x.
F8x was a huge leap in performance - weight reduction, cooling, brakes, CF components etc.
New G8x is a weak effort besides the fact its hideous.
02-23-21 | 06:20 PM
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I can’t imagine C63 selling with 4cyl at all.
02-23-21 | 06:30 PM
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AWD version will be coming later this year.
New M3 no longer offers DCT and is much heavier.
It will be more M5ish rather than M3 of old especially with AWD. It should do 0-60 in low 3s.
02-23-21 | 08:18 PM
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Yes there is, it says AMG and has two doors and a triple pointed star. Same reason my old *** 430 doesn't get any notice next to a same year mustang cobra even though it's faster and handles better. Hell put a W220 with the 4.3 next to a 430 and every single person will pick it as the fancier/better car. Same with a S550 and LS460 or S600 and LS600 etc....
You can park a legitimately better drivers car next to a "AMG" and people in general will pay much greater respect to the badge.
Let me ask you this, Ferrari 488 GTB or Camaro ZL1 1LE? One of those two totally defeats the other in all performance metrics......
You can park a legitimately better drivers car next to a "AMG" and people in general will pay much greater respect to the badge.
Let me ask you this, Ferrari 488 GTB or Camaro ZL1 1LE? One of those two totally defeats the other in all performance metrics......
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