2022 Lexus NX: Available as first plug-in hybrid
10-10-21, 02:01 PM
#241
Lexus Fanatic
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10-10-21, 02:04 PM
#242
https://www.volvocars.com/en-ca/v/cars/xc60
10-10-21, 02:05 PM
#243
Lexus Fanatic
10-10-21, 03:16 PM
#244
Intermediate
Love the typical banter over nothing here. Both sides throwing out fake news subjective assessments on "performance," infotainment, supply constraints, competitors and etc. Never change, CL Car Chat, never change.
10-10-21, 11:20 PM
#246
I live in the Bay Area so I will be less impacted by battery supply-constraints. When I can now get the RAV4 Prime for retail at multiple Toyota dealerships here, I can safely say I can get the NX 450h+ for retail too. Just have to be patient. So for me and a lot of people interested in the NX, the "highest-performing" NX is the 450h+.
Love the typical banter over nothing here. Both sides throwing out fake news subjective assessments on "performance," infotainment, supply constraints, competitors and etc. Never change, CL Car Chat, never change.
Love the typical banter over nothing here. Both sides throwing out fake news subjective assessments on "performance," infotainment, supply constraints, competitors and etc. Never change, CL Car Chat, never change.
I'm on Autotrader right now and there are a grand total of 21 RAV4 Primes listed within 100 miles of San Fransisco, 12 of which don't even have photos of the car up yet because they're likely not yet even on dealership lots. All are marked above sticker, some by over $15K.
Have a look for yourself.
Last edited by Motorola; 10-10-21 at 11:25 PM.
10-11-21, 03:13 AM
#247
Pole Position
10-11-21, 06:19 AM
#248
I live in the Bay Area so I will be less impacted by battery supply-constraints. When I can now get the RAV4 Prime for retail at multiple Toyota dealerships here, I can safely say I can get the NX 450h+ for retail too. Just have to be patient. So for me and a lot of people interested in the NX, the "highest-performing" NX is the 450h+.
Love the typical banter over nothing here. Both sides throwing out fake news subjective assessments on "performance," infotainment, supply constraints, competitors and etc. Never change, CL Car Chat, never change.
Love the typical banter over nothing here. Both sides throwing out fake news subjective assessments on "performance," infotainment, supply constraints, competitors and etc. Never change, CL Car Chat, never change.
I am not sure why people insist on saying things that are easily verified to be true or not in a couple of minutes. People on the west coast are flying to east coast dealerships to get Rav4 Primes at MSRP.
You know how much Prime is available in Texas? Take a guess. Zero. In the state of Texas there are zero available. But we should believe that there are no supply constraints, perhaps toyota don't want to sell Primes to people in Texas. That's more believable than there being a supply constraint.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&numRecords=25
10-11-21, 02:14 PM
#249
But the Germans/Europeans offer PHEV versions as well. You can get a Q5, X3, and the aforementioned XC60 all as PHEV's- they all cost roughly the same as their turbo V6 counterparts. My main point here is that Lexus has priced the NX into another higher segment of vehicles that it wasn't in previously, and I'm curious to see if it's really Toyota buyers who would be willing to fork out $60k+ for the new NX instead of potential Euro cross-shoppers.
NX 450+ has better powertrain than any of the europeans. It goes longer in EV mode, it gets better mpg in hybrid mode, it is fast and quiet - well integrated powertrain that Germans simply do not have.
10-11-21, 02:19 PM
#250
Will this NX sell better than the old one? You bet.
10-11-21, 03:46 PM
#251
Lexus Test Driver
We shall see. If the new tax credit goes into effect, a bunch of new EV models may eat into the current ICE models. I'd rather a Model Y for $55k than an NX if both have the $7,500 tax credit. Interesting times...
10-11-21, 04:07 PM
#252
I suspect the take rate for the German PHEV's is extremely low, either due to limited supply or demand or both. They seem to only exist here for the sake of emissions compliance. Likewise, the NX450h+ won't be a top seller anytime soon as we all mentioned before with the RAV4 Prime shortages.
Head to head though, the NX350 (which Lexus claims will be their volume seller) would get absolutely trounced by just about every other turbo 4-cylinder crossover in this segment. It'll sell well, but mainly to Toyota/Lexus-only consumers as Steve pointed out. It's the 450h+ that has the sole potential to draw in Euro cross-shoppers because it may actually be class-competitive, even if it's a small sub-class.
Last edited by Motorola; 10-11-21 at 04:15 PM.
10-11-21, 04:24 PM
#253
Intermediate
Anecdotes like this are all easily verifiable. There's certainly some "fake news" here but not from me...
I'm on Autotrader right now and there are a grand total of 21 RAV4 Primes listed within 100 miles of San Fransisco, 12 of which don't even have photos of the car up yet because they're likely not yet even on dealership lots. All are marked above sticker, some by over $15K.
Have a look for yourself.
I'm on Autotrader right now and there are a grand total of 21 RAV4 Primes listed within 100 miles of San Fransisco, 12 of which don't even have photos of the car up yet because they're likely not yet even on dealership lots. All are marked above sticker, some by over $15K.
Have a look for yourself.
450h+ will be extremely supply-constrained and dealer marked up by $10K+ like the RAV4 Prime it's based on. So the "highest-performing" available NX will be the 350 turbo, and it's not much of a performer."
How does initial supply constraints and dealer mark-ups make the 450h+ disappear into thin air like it doesn't exist? Does that not sound like fake news from you? What is initially available for me, might not be available for you. If you worded it like: the "highest-performing" available NX for me is the 350 turbo... then yeah, I totally agree.
I also clearly stated in my reply you have to be patient to get it for retail. I don't suggest anyone roll up to a Toyota dealership right now to buy an available RAV4 Prime. You will be ripped off. Same thing for the NX 450h+ in the future.
And to take two steps back, I clearly put quotes around "performance" in my first post in this thread because I think it is a joke to expect legit performance from the NX lineup. Going quick in a straight-lineup is just part of the performance equation.
Like clock work, your most recent post... Smh. You do you I guess.
can you advise us where you can get them at MSRP on the west coast? There is a whole subreddit dedicated to the Rav4 Prime and the only way people on the west coast can get Rav4 Primes at MSRP is to go on a approx 4 months wait list.
I am not sure why people insist on saying things that are easily verified to be true or not in a couple of minutes. People on the west coast are flying to east coast dealerships to get Rav4 Primes at MSRP.
You know how much Prime is available in Texas? Take a guess. Zero. In the state of Texas there are zero available. But we should believe that there are no supply constraints, perhaps toyota don't want to sell Primes to people in Texas. That's more believable than there being a supply constraint.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&numRecords=25
I am not sure why people insist on saying things that are easily verified to be true or not in a couple of minutes. People on the west coast are flying to east coast dealerships to get Rav4 Primes at MSRP.
You know how much Prime is available in Texas? Take a guess. Zero. In the state of Texas there are zero available. But we should believe that there are no supply constraints, perhaps toyota don't want to sell Primes to people in Texas. That's more believable than there being a supply constraint.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&numRecords=25
You potentially miss out on too many extra California state subsidies to purchase the RAV4 Prime out of state. I would not risk it.
You live in Florida and you also bring up Texas as an example of lack of inventory. I live in California. Come on, clearly there are reasons why the RAV4 Prime is more readily available in California compared to Florida and Texas.
Last edited by nicedude; 10-11-21 at 04:30 PM.
10-11-21, 04:36 PM
#254
Intermediate
The dilemma I am facing right now. I know the pros and cons of both, but if the NX 450h+ loses most of the subsidies and the Model Y potentially gets even more than $7,500 in subsidies... With that said, Tesla might continue to raise the price of the Model Y in anticipation of the new subsidies. Game time decision for me.
10-11-21, 04:39 PM
#255
Take a step back and read what you wrote: "Originally Posted by Motorola
450h+ will be extremely supply-constrained and dealer marked up by $10K+ like the RAV4 Prime it's based on. So the "highest-performing" available NX will be the 350 turbo, and it's not much of a performer."
How does initial supply constraints and dealer mark-ups make the 450h+ disappear into thin air like it doesn't exist? Does that not sound like fake news from you? What is initially available for me, might not be available for you. If you worded it like: the "highest-performing" available NX for me is the 350 turbo... then yeah, I totally agree.
I also clearly stated in my reply you have to be patient to get it for retail. I don't suggest anyone roll up to a Toyota dealership right now to buy an available RAV4 Prime. You will be ripped off. Same thing for the NX 450h+ in the future.
And to take two steps back, I clearly put quotes around "performance" in my first post in this thread because I think it is a joke to expect legit performance from the NX lineup. Going quick in a straight-lineup is just part of the performance equation.
Like clock work, your most recent post... Smh. You do you I guess.
450h+ will be extremely supply-constrained and dealer marked up by $10K+ like the RAV4 Prime it's based on. So the "highest-performing" available NX will be the 350 turbo, and it's not much of a performer."
How does initial supply constraints and dealer mark-ups make the 450h+ disappear into thin air like it doesn't exist? Does that not sound like fake news from you? What is initially available for me, might not be available for you. If you worded it like: the "highest-performing" available NX for me is the 350 turbo... then yeah, I totally agree.
I also clearly stated in my reply you have to be patient to get it for retail. I don't suggest anyone roll up to a Toyota dealership right now to buy an available RAV4 Prime. You will be ripped off. Same thing for the NX 450h+ in the future.
And to take two steps back, I clearly put quotes around "performance" in my first post in this thread because I think it is a joke to expect legit performance from the NX lineup. Going quick in a straight-lineup is just part of the performance equation.
Like clock work, your most recent post... Smh. You do you I guess.
Fact: RAV4 Prime is supply constrained. Not up for debate, period.
Everything I said also still stands correct. The NX450h+ will be supply constrained, because the Toyota it's based on is also supply-constrained. Your entire opposing argument to that is "b-but wait it's not out yet!" Name me one Lexus model that has ever had higher production than its Toyota counterpart.
And no response as to my disproving of your blatantly fictional anecdote about getting the RAV4 Prime "for retail" I see lol.
You stated how to get it for retail in California. Get on the wait list with one of the dealerships willing to sell for retail. I recommend Longo Toyota/Lexus. Did I also not say be patient in my post? Is there not a waitlist for just about any other in demand car? Let me tell you, there is a similar wait for the Model Y Long Range as the RAV4 Prime. I expect the same for the NX 450h+.
I live in the Bay Area so I will be less impacted by battery supply-constraints. When I can NOW get the RAV4 Prime for retail at multiple Toyota dealerships here, I can safely say I can get the NX 450h+ for retail too. Just have to be patient. So for me and a lot of people interested in the NX, the "highest-performing" NX is the 450h+.
Last edited by Motorola; 10-11-21 at 05:03 PM.