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Old 03-09-21, 06:54 AM
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Default Park outside: Kia recalls nearly 380K vehicles for fire risk

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DETROIT -- Kia is telling owners of nearly 380,000 vehicles in the U.S. to park them outdoors due to the risk of an engine compartment fire.

The Korean automaker is recalling certain 2017 through 2021 Sportage SUVs and 2017 through 2019 Cadenza sedans to fix the problem. The company says a short circuit in the hydraulic electronic brake control unit can cause excessive current, increasing the risk of a fire. Owners should also park them away from structures until repairs are made.

The company says the recalled vehicles are not equipped with Kia's Smart Cruise Control system.

Owners could see tire pressure, anti-lock brake or other warning lights on their dashboard before the problem happens. They also might smell a burning or melting odor.

Owners will be notified starting April 30. Dealers will replace fuses in the electrical junction box to fix the problem.

Kia says in documents posted Tuesday by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that it has no reports of crashes, fires or injuries due to the problem.

The recall comes after the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration began investigating Kia and Hyundai engine fires in 2019. The agency opened the probe after the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety filed a petition seeking the investigation. When the inquiry began, the agency said it had owner complaints of more than 3,100 fires, 103 injuries and one death.

In November, NHTSA announced that Kia and Hyundai must pay $137 million in fines and for safety improvements because they moved too slowly to recall more than 1 million vehicles with engines that can fail. The fines resolve a government probe into the companies’ behavior involving recalls of multiple models dating to the 2011 model year.

Kia was to pay $27 million and invest $16 million in safety performance measures. Another $27 million payment will be deferred as long as Kia meets safety conditions, NHTSA said.

Kia denied the U.S. allegations but said it wanted to avoid a protracted legal fight.

Engine failure and fire problems with Hyundais and Kias have affected more than 6 million vehicles since 2015, according to NHTSA documents.
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Never ends for KIA/Hyundai. Too many shortcuts and cost cutting. A warning to park outside is an embarrassment

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Telling people to park outside is insulting. Fix the problem!
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Never ends for KIA/Hyundai. Too many shortcuts and cost cutting. A warning to park outside is an embarrassment
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Telling people to park outside is insulting. Fix the problem!
Why is it embarrassing and insulting? It's a safety issue--even if you call the dealer immediately for an appointment to fix the problem thru the recall, what if the car catches fire in the days before your appointment? Do you want that car in the garage? Other manufacturers have done the same thing when a recalled condition could lead to fire.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...arking-n817511

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...indow/2474023/

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...call-fire-risk

https://mednews365.com/chrysler-reca...-to-fire-risk/
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I fail to see how a pre-emptive recall for something with zero reported incidents can be seen as a bad thing.
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I fail to see how a pre-emptive recall for something with zero reported incidents can be seen as a bad thing.
Can recalling 380k vehicles due to a risk of fire be seen as a good thing?
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Originally Posted by Motorola
I fail to see how a pre-emptive recall for something with zero reported incidents can be seen as a bad thing.
How is this not "a bad thing"?

The recall comes after the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration began investigating Kia and Hyundai engine fires in 2019. The agency opened the probe after the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety filed a petition seeking the investigation. When the inquiry began, the agency said it had owner complaints of more than 3,100 fires, 103 injuries and one death.

In November, NHTSA announced that Kia and Hyundai must pay $137 million in fines and for safety improvements because they moved too slowly to recall more than 1 million vehicles with engines that can fail. The fines resolve a government probe into the companies’ behavior involving recalls of multiple models dating to the 2011 model year.

Kia was to pay $27 million and invest $16 million in safety performance measures. Another $27 million payment will be deferred as long as Kia meets safety conditions, NHTSA said.

Kia denied the U.S. allegations but said it wanted to avoid a protracted legal fight.

Engine failure and fire problems with Hyundais and Kias have affected more than 6 million vehicles since 2015, according to NHTSA documents.

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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Never ends for KIA/Hyundai. Too many shortcuts and cost cutting. A warning to park outside is an embarrassment
Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Telling people to park outside is insulting. Fix the problem!

Originally Posted by tex2670
Why is it embarrassing and insulting? It's a safety issue--even if you call the dealer immediately for an appointment to fix the problem thru the recall, what if the car catches fire in the days before your appointment? Do you want that car in the garage? Other manufacturers have done the same thing when a recalled condition could lead to fire.
Tex is right on the money. There is nothing embarrassing or insulting about exercising simple common sense. In fact, I would think a lot less of Hyundai and Kia had they not come out with a statement like that.

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Originally Posted by tex2670
Why is it embarrassing and insulting?
Because Kia didn't bother doing anything, got fined then were forced to recall. So NOW they are saying oh sorry park your car outside. Terrible response.
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Originally Posted by sm1ke
Can recalling 380k vehicles due to a risk of fire be seen as a good thing?
So no recall to let people's cars catch on fire is a good thing?

Originally Posted by tex2670
How is this not "a bad thing"?
Different recall for an entirely different issue. Re-read the OP:

Kia says in documents posted Tuesday by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that it has no reports of crashes, fires or injuries due to the problem.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Different recall for an entirely different issue. Re-read the OP:
Yes but I don't see how you can look at the "new" issue in isolation and say "This is good". Their hand is forced because of what has come before.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Yes but I don't see how you can look at the "new" issue in isolation and say "This is good". Their hand is forced because of what has come before.
How is their hand forced when this is a voluntary recall unrelated to the engine recalls, and with zero incidents? All manufacturers have recalls for various issues. Recalls are not bad and demonstrate responsibility.

What plagued the older engine recalls wasn't that Hyundai/Kia neglected to recall the cars, but that the recall wasn't extensive enough and the fix was inadequate. It was the execution of the recall that led to them being fined, not an attempt to hide the problem like VW with Dieselgate.
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Nothing to see here, move along. Just another normal day at Hyundai/Kia.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
So no recall to let people's cars catch on fire is a good thing?
Lmao, how did you get that from what I wrote?

At best, one can say that it was the responsible thing to do, which is how every automaker is expected to handle such a situation. This isn't any different than the lug nut recall on the 2019 Mazda3. Both recalls were proactive as there were no reported accidents/incidents/injuries related to each issue. Both manufacturers handled the issue responsibly by admitting the faults and contacting the owners. But both recalls highlight shortcomings in the automakers' manufacturing or quality process, which, in itself, is a bad thing. Sure, the issues were handled responsibly, but they shouldn't have been issues in the first place.

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Originally Posted by sm1ke
Lmao, how did you get that from what I wrote?

At best, one can say that it was the responsible thing to do, which is how every automaker is expected to handle such a situation. This isn't any different than the lug nut recall on the 2019 Mazda3. Both recalls were proactive as there were no reported accidents/incidents/injuries related to each issue. Both manufacturers handled the issue responsibly by admitting the faults and contacting the owners. But both recalls highlight shortcomings in the automakers' manufacturing or quality process, which, in itself, is a bad thing. Sure, the issues were handled responsibly, but they shouldn't have been issues in the first place.
In case you aren't aware, historically the manufacturers with the most recalls are Toyota and Honda. Do you see that affecting their past record of reliability? Recalls are pre-emptive, and are usually based on what the manufacturer itself deems as a potential issue. Some companies (insert American/German brand of choice) would rather not bother until they get hit with several class action lawsuits.

So yes, a company taking pre-emptive action by issuing a recall to fix something regardless of the minimum chance of it happening is a very, very good thing that ought to be commended.

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